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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

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    Heya Hatuey. From your Link.

    The BBC's Hague Correspondent Anna Holligan says the judgement is significant as it appears to acknowledge that the US may have been aware of torture techniques used against suspects overseas - something Washington has always refused to comment on.....snip~

    So back then we refused to comment on that.Then sent a letter in Oct. Which now this Judge says the letter isn't good enough. Plus now the admittance by Feinstein to deny on grounds of torture. Is set in stone.


    Washington denied in a letter sent to Dutch officials in October in that U.S. authorities were involved in his arrest, but the Dutch court said it was not convinced the CIA had not been involved in his detention.

    "This letter does not rule out the possible involvement of the CIA," the court in The Hague said in a statement. "Since it cannot be ruled out that it was the CIA which requested the arrest, the judge again forbids" his extradition....snip~

    Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns

    But like his attorney said.....he will be able to be free there, just not outside that country.
    The point was that the dutch were denying extradition before the report came out. There is no way to determine that they would have given the suspect to the US without the report. As such, all we have is that the Dutch have remained consistent in their stance that they won't release suspects if they fear those suspects may be tortured.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The point was that the dutch were denying extradition before the report came out. There is no way to determine that they would have given the suspect to the US without the report. As such, all we have is that the Dutch have remained consistent in their stance that they won't release suspects if they fear those suspects may be tortured.


    I didn't know they started it at all. I just thought it was for this one case. Either way now.....going forward. They have decreed we tortured and by our own admittance. Up until the Feinstein Report and when we sent that letter. We had no comment.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

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    A Dutch court on Tuesday blocked the extradition of a man accused of having fought against U.S. troops in Afghanistan, saying it could not be ruled out that the CIA had been involved in his torture after his arrest in Pakistan. Dutch court documents showed the suspect, a Dutch-Pakistani dual citizen named Sabir Khan, was tortured after his arrest by Pakistan's ISI security service. He faces charges in New York of conspiracy to commit murder and of supporting al Qaeda.

    The court said the Netherlands could not transfer him because Dutch and international law prohibits the extradition of torture victims to countries that played a role in abuse. "This letter does not rule out the possible involvement of the CIA," the court in The Hague said in a statement. "Since it cannot be ruled out that it was the CIA which requested the arrest, the judge again forbids" his extradition.....snip~

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    Well now.....what do you think of that. They will not extradite a supporter of AQ, and we are not talking about Cheerleading supporter. Fruits of Feinstein's releasing of the Torture Report.....huh? What say ye?
    Good afternoon MMC

    I have to ask, if the man was in the hands of the Pakistani ISI, how is it that he was not handed over to the US when the Pakistanis were finished with him and how did he manage to find his way to the Netherlands? Seems to me another example of the Pakistanis not being the best of US friends.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon MMC

    I have to ask, if the man was in the hands of the Pakistani ISI, how is it that he was not handed over to the US when the Pakistanis were finished with him and how did he manage to find his way to the Netherlands? Seems to me another example of the Pakistanis not being the best of US friends.

    Heya CJ. I am not sure. The Pakis did arrest him. So they did have him at one time.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    A Dutch court on Tuesday blocked the extradition of a man accused of having fought against U.S. troops in Afghanistan, saying it could not be ruled out that the CIA had been involved in his torture after his arrest in Pakistan. Dutch court documents showed the suspect, a Dutch-Pakistani dual citizen named Sabir Khan, was tortured after his arrest by Pakistan's ISI security service. He faces charges in New York of conspiracy to commit murder and of supporting al Qaeda.

    The court said the Netherlands could not transfer him because Dutch and international law prohibits the extradition of torture victims to countries that played a role in abuse. "This letter does not rule out the possible involvement of the CIA," the court in The Hague said in a statement. "Since it cannot be ruled out that it was the CIA which requested the arrest, the judge again forbids" his extradition.....snip~

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    Well now.....what do you think of that. They will not extradite a supporter of AQ, and we are not talking about Cheerleading supporter. Fruits of Feinstein's releasing of the Torture Report.....huh? What say ye?
    So instead of blaming the people that actually did the illegal torturing you blame the people who exposed it? That's some pretty backwards logic there. The responsibility for this hangs solely on the shoulders of the people who tortured detainees and the politicians who approved of it.

    Also, considering we actively imprison suspects indefinitely without ever giving them a trial to determine their guilt, the Dutch would be damning him whether he is guilty or not. At least the Dutch seem to have a set of moral standards. We don't care if he's guilty or not we just want blood.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I didn't know they started it at all. I just thought it was for this one case. Either way now.....going forward. They have decreed we tortured and by our own admittance. Up until the Feinstein Report and when we sent that letter. We had no comment.
    Does refusing to admit your crimes make them non-existent?
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

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    I didn't know they started it at all. I just thought it was for this one case. Either way now.....going forward. They have decreed we tortured and by our own admittance. Up until the Feinstein Report and when we sent that letter. We had no comment.
    Well, what they actually "decreed" is that they can't rule out possibility that it wouldn't happen. Which is... you know... the same thing they've been stating since the beginning. There is no reason to believe the US would have made an otherwise convincing argument for why the dutch should release him into the US. Specially considering the US failed to make such an argument for... well... nearly 2 years now.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Skipper. Were the Dutch denying extradition then? Are they now?
    Not to burst your bubble, but denying extradition to the US is almost a norm these days and it has nothing to do with the report. The US has a nasty habit of not upholding agreements with countries and hence extraditing their citizens is not something they take lightly.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon MMC

    I have to ask, if the man was in the hands of the Pakistani ISI, how is it that he was not handed over to the US when the Pakistanis were finished with him and how did he manage to find his way to the Netherlands? Seems to me another example of the Pakistanis not being the best of US friends.
    Exactly right. The Pakistani government is the biggest frontman for these terror cells. They get caught red handed all the time. Oh yea..and they hid Bin Laden for the better half of a decade.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So instead of blaming the people that actually did the illegal torturing you blame the people who exposed it? That's some pretty backwards logic there. The responsibility for this hangs solely on the shoulders of the people who tortured detainees and the politicians who approved of it.

    Also, considering we actively imprison suspects indefinitely without ever giving them a trial to determine their guilt, the Dutch would be damning him whether he is guilty or not. At least the Dutch seem to have a set of moral standards. We don't care if he's guilty or not we just want blood.



    Does refusing to admit your crimes make them non-existent?

    Did they not charge him with conspiracy to commit murder. That's not an Unlawful combatant charge is it? What other connections to AQ was needed again? Didn't any of the Pakistani testify?

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did they not charge him with conspiracy to commit murder. That's not an Unlawful combatant charge is it? What other connections to AQ was needed again? Didn't any of the Pakistani testify?
    Even if they did charge him, that doesn't mean that he'll be getting a trial, much less within any reasonable time frame. We locked up Bradley Manning in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day for 11 months, and continued to hold him for years without trial. People accused of terrorism have a habit of just "disappearing" or being indefinitely detained at Guantanomo without trial.

    The fact is, the US doesn't have a stellar record of respecting the human rights of people it thinks are terrorists. We've done this so long that now people have lost our trust.
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