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    Sammamish considers underage drinking fines for adults

    Sammamish considers underage drinking fines for adults

    There are actually 2 towns proposing this. This is an article for Sammamish in WA St, about a half hr outside Seattle. They want to fine homeowners $500 for the first offense if the party is advertised on social media and involves underage drinking. The homeowners do not have to be home or aware of it to incur the penalty. I like this idea, altho I wish they would hold parents just as accountable for their kids texting and driving.

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    "SAMMAMISH, Wash. -- A new crackdown on underage drinking in Sammamish could see fines up to $1,000 per offense directed at parents and legal guardians.

    State law makes it illegal to provide alcohol to children. The proposed municipal ordinance in Sammamish would go a step further, holding adults accountable even when a teen throws a party while adults are not present.

    "These juvenile drinking parties often times will get out of control. You'll see them spill out into the street," Sammamish Police Chief Nathan Elledge said. "Neighbors start to complain. So, it's not uncommon here."



    These are local ordinances being proposed. Does anyone think that the community authorities are overstepping their bounds?
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    Re: Town in WA St. proposes fines for using social media for underage drinking partie

    curious why you like the idea, if the fines are levied while the parents aren't home .
    If they are not home, it can be assumed they do not know about teen drinking.

    The other thought I have is teens do drink ( not all, but enough), and I'd rather see them drinking with an adult there to watch over them,
    but I understand that is illegal and subject to sanctions

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    Re: Town in WA St. proposes fines for using social media for underage drinking partie

    Many of my friends and I had parties with alcohol, drugs and sex during high school that our parents knew nothing about, usually because they were out of town or out late for the evening. The only pay to prevent that is to hire a babysitter for kids up to 20 years and 11 months old. Even if effective, it will only encourage kids to have parties in locations that are not homes.

    I had neighbors who held raves in remote locations to avoid being shut down by the police. At one of them someone fell out of a tree and was seriously injured. It took a long time for emergency services to be called and a medi-vac helicopter to arrive. The guy who fell out of the tree spent a lot of time in great pain before dying, an outcome that would have not happened if they were not forced to hold their parties in such remote areas.

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    Re: Town in WA St. proposes fines for using social media for underage drinking partie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sammamish considers underage drinking fines for adults

    There are actually 2 towns proposing this. This is an article for Sammamish in WA St, about a half hr outside Seattle. They want to fine homeowners $500 for the first offense if the party is advertised on social media and involves underage drinking. The homeowners do not have to be home or aware of it to incur the penalty. I like this idea, altho I wish they would hold parents just as accountable for their kids texting and driving.

    From the article:

    "SAMMAMISH, Wash. -- A new crackdown on underage drinking in Sammamish could see fines up to $1,000 per offense directed at parents and legal guardians.

    State law makes it illegal to provide alcohol to children. The proposed municipal ordinance in Sammamish would go a step further, holding adults accountable even when a teen throws a party while adults are not present.

    "These juvenile drinking parties often times will get out of control. You'll see them spill out into the street," Sammamish Police Chief Nathan Elledge said. "Neighbors start to complain. So, it's not uncommon here."



    These are local ordinances being proposed. Does anyone think that the community authorities are overstepping their bounds?
    Unless the fact that drinking would occur was publicly advertised, I don't think it is just to hold them responsible for it.

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    Re: Town in WA St. proposes fines for using social media for underage drinking partie

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Unless the fact that drinking would occur was publicly advertised, I don't think it is just to hold them responsible for it.
    I think this is the base of the issue. Social media has enabled widespread advertising of these parties so that they get very large and out of control....moreso than the past. I know, I used to do the same thing when my folks went out of town. We had a pool. My parents probably could have been nailed legally if anyone had drowned. The only time the neighbors complained tho was when somebody brought fireworks And they called me first to say they'd call my parents if we didnt chill out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many of my friends and I had parties with alcohol, drugs and sex during high school that our parents knew nothing about, usually because they were out of town or out late for the evening. The only pay to prevent that is to hire a babysitter for kids up to 20 years and 11 months old. Even if effective, it will only encourage kids to have parties in locations that are not homes.
    To be fair, it would only have to be up to the age of 18 because even though it is illegal in most places to drink before 21, the parents are no longer responsible for their children after they become legal adults.
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    Re: Town in WA St. proposes fines for using social media for underage drinking partie

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    To be fair, it would only have to be up to the age of 18 because even though it is illegal in most places to drink before 21, the parents are no longer responsible for their children after they become legal adults.
    I dont believe that's the case for these local ordinances. Underage drinking is under 21. And it's the parent's property which they are being expected to control. Perhaps the parents would not be held responsible for a 21 yr old that left the party and killed someone driving home, but would for one that is 17 or 18?
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    Re: Town in WA St. proposes fines for using social media for underage drinking partie

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    curious why you like the idea, if the fines are levied while the parents aren't home .
    If they are not home, it can be assumed they do not know about teen drinking.

    The other thought I have is teens do drink ( not all, but enough), and I'd rather see them drinking with an adult there to watch over them,
    but I understand that is illegal and subject to sanctions
    I think the presumption is that the parents, home or not, are responsible for what takes place in their home.

    And I think that it's illegal in most (not all) states for minor children to drink, even if parents are there. I dont think minors that arent their kids are allowed at all. So we're talking about the law here and the focus is out of control parties, that get super large because of social media postings.
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    Re: Town in WA St. proposes fines for using social media for underage drinking partie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont believe that's the case for these local ordinances. Underage drinking is under 21. And it's the parent's property which they are being expected to control. Perhaps the parents would not be held responsible for a 21 yr old that left the party and killed someone driving home, but would for one that is 17 or 18?
    Once the person is 18 and a legal adult, the parent cannot be held accountable for their child, simply because it is their child. Whether the parent's allowing their house to be used for such a party might open them up to civil litigation, I don't know, but since we're talking about parents who had no clue this was going on, I wouldn't think so. Maybe they can be sued by another parent whose child went to the party, but not by the state.
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    Re: Town in WA St. proposes fines for using social media for underage drinking partie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sammamish considers underage drinking fines for adults

    There are actually 2 towns proposing this. This is an article for Sammamish in WA St, about a half hr outside Seattle. They want to fine homeowners $500 for the first offense if the party is advertised on social media and involves underage drinking. The homeowners do not have to be home or aware of it to incur the penalty. I like this idea, altho I wish they would hold parents just as accountable for their kids texting and driving.

    From the article:

    "SAMMAMISH, Wash. -- A new crackdown on underage drinking in Sammamish could see fines up to $1,000 per offense directed at parents and legal guardians.

    State law makes it illegal to provide alcohol to children. The proposed municipal ordinance in Sammamish would go a step further, holding adults accountable even when a teen throws a party while adults are not present.

    "These juvenile drinking parties often times will get out of control. You'll see them spill out into the street," Sammamish Police Chief Nathan Elledge said. "Neighbors start to complain. So, it's not uncommon here."



    These are local ordinances being proposed. Does anyone think that the community authorities are overstepping their bounds?
    Hmm... Mean old Mr. Wilson goes on vacation and someone (the paper boy?) posts a pool party invitation at his address.

    What crime did Mr. Wilson commit?
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