Of course personal responsibility plays a role, but the fact is no amount of "personal responsibility" makes up for the fact that wages have stagnated for decades, or that a person of average intelligence, willing to work hard, 30 years ago could get a good job, with regular raises, a pension, etc. and that job either doesn't exist - it's been offshored - or exists in far fewer numbers. If there are 1,000x of those jobs, only 1,000x people CAN fill them. People can't work really hard and fill 2,000x of those good jobs - 1000x are simply GONE.
This is the constant refrain from conservatives that it's all about personal responsibility and all that. For each person, sure, their success will depend in large part on their effort. But not everyone can be above average, make above average wages in an above average job in a booming field with lots of future growth potential. So no amount of hard work changes those broad trends reflected in those numbers.
A string of straw men. If you don't want to have a serious conversation, fine, but I've never claimed I want anything close to 'equal outcomes' nor do I want to 'punish producers.' In the past few decades the "producers" have seen their wages and wealth skyrocket. That's great. The problem is the other 90% of the country which has not. If there's anything I "want" it is that the country as a whole SHARE in the increased prosperity. It's fine with me if a CEO makes $50 million. What's missing is his employees wages are going down or stagnant (economy wide). It's the latter that is the problem, for all of us, including the CEO who needs BROAD wage gains to fuel real, sustainable economic growth.This is a great country for opportunity which liberals always destroy by micromanaging and promoting social engineering. Seems you want equal outcome and redistribution of wealth and punishing producers. The question is why don't you let people spend their money the way they want and not the way you think they should?
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Sure is convenient that you can just write them off as "not conservatives." I'm beginning to think the "true conservative" is as elusive as Bigfoot.
Not sure what this has to do with anything. The point is that conservatives are just as concerned about other people and their money as anyone else. They just follow this ridiculous, unproven theory of these magical "job creators" who we all suckle off of.
Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.
We live on a planet with scarce resources. This is not Star Trek, we cannot just replicate everything we need. As such, it's important to realize that the wealth centralization as described in the OP is basically mass theft. It is restricting access to the world's natural resources and forcing people to go without. It is economic authoritarianism.
You're right about the predatory lenders and mortgages. What happened was that houses were sold to perfectly willing buyers who couldn't afford those houses using "creative loans". Lots of buyers as well as lenders made money on the deal until the bottom fell out of the market. Rates were no higher than for any other mortgages.
What should have happened is laws passed to ensure that buyers had enough skin in the game to lose if the houses were foreclosed, and to have a reasonable assurance that people weren't buying houses that they couldn't afford, that dreaded but necessary word: Government regulation. That didn't happen, and so the whole house of cards eventually fell.
Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?
And you can't point to more people buying cars and going to college as a positive, and evidence of rising living standards, then condemn the debt that makes that POSSIBLE because of decades of stagnant wages. Yes, many families funded what appeared to be rising living standards by taking on more debt. That's not sustainable, which is in large measure why growth is so anemic - real, sustainable growth can ONLY come from rising wages, and we haven't had that in the broad middle for DECADES.
A couple are globalization made possible with "free trade" agreements, the end of tariffs, and "right to work" for less laws, and a general institutional hostility towards unions of all kinds. I could say more, but you're just going to dismiss those points out of hand so why bother.What policies cause this?