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The 1% will own more than the 99% by 2016, report says

Ikari said:
I'm Jersey? No. I'm sure the numbers are flubbed. They probably throw in private landlords as homeowners for the property they rent.

The average pay in Jersey has to be higher because the taxes here are un-f'n-ing believable. The cost of living is high too. Purchasing power...what is that? And Jersey may become such a hellhole eventually that only the super rich or super poor could live here.
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Who lives in all those houses in midland park? Westwood? fairlawn, paramus?


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Where homes are within reach for the middle class in New Jersey | NJ.com
 
whysoserious said:
Did you see his state of the union? Looks like he's trying. It's just that one group somehow thinks taxation is communism/socialism.
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Still believing the rhetoric and ignoring the results? Seems that liberal wants ignore reality. Obama has been in office 6 years, had a Democrat Senate the entire time and had a filibuster proof Congress part of his first term and the results are mediocre at best showing just how incompetent he is. Why do you people like you always buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. Are you happy that he cut the deficit in half as he added 7.6 trillion to the debt? Are you happy that he had the greatest job creation in decades to get us back to pre recession levels ignoring population growth? Why are your expectations so low/
 
Texmex said:
It's not what these people do to me, it's what they do to society in general that is the problem. I imagine when the divide between top and bottom gets too great, there will be a change. The poor will only allow themselves to be exploited for so long.
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you do realize that it wasn't rich people that crashed the market right?
you do realize that your pay doesn't come from the bum on the side of the street right?

lol if you don't like getting paid what you get paid do something to improve it.
that is what all those evil rich people did.
 
KevinKohler said:
Don't worry, CT is right there with you.


In fact, from what I've seen of the NE, it's a trend. Uber high living expenses couple only slightly higher pay scales, resulting in either wealthy, upper middle or higher....and then lower middle, debt hounds, and the poor.
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Rich liberals are the reason... spending, and keeping poor poor by taxing and giving them services. it's also designed to hurt the upper middle class by treating them like the lautenbergs, corzines, etc...
 
KevinKohler said:
Yes, and absolutely NOTHING has changed in the work environment since the 70s, lol. You're stuck looking at your own experiences, not seeing the complete irrelevance they have to today's realities.
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Actually I am in those statistics posted and do look at the picture as it affects me and my family. Too bad others don't do that as well and then they would realize that politicians rely on feelings about others that create the electorate that Gruber was talking about
 
KevinKohler said:
No, just tired of people like him having undue influence on the way things are run.
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yep jealous, but unwilling to do anything about it.
 
KevinKohler said:
When jobs pay enough to self sustain, those things might no longer be needed.
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When workers do enough to justify higher wages they will get it, if they aren't happy with what they make take their experience and education and move on. Start your own business with that experience and see that what liberals have told you is absolutely false.
 
Papa bull said:
Don't even start that lame nonsense. Roads are for everyone. Wealth redistribution is taking money from one person and giving it to another in a misguided attempt to "even the score". Medicaid is a good example of wealth redistribution. The people who GET it aren't the ones that PAY for it. It is taking money from one group of people to buy stuff for another group of people. You are typical for today's liberals. The central pillar of the left's philosophy is to get the government to tax the rich in order to give you stuff YOU want. Basically, liberals are just thieves that are so lazy and cowardly that they demand the government do their stealing for them.
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That's a childish way to view life. First of all, no services are going to be distributed equally. We all pay for roads, but I don't use them the same amount as my neighbor, nor him to his neighbor. By the way, Papa bull, what is stopping you from using Medicaid? Can you explain that issue in length for me.

Yes, Papa bull, there are many services that the government provides that I do not get to use or do not directly affect me. I realize this, and yet I am not going to moan, bitch, and whine about it. Most services the government provide have valid and important reasons for existing, regardless of whether or not they benefit me. The system was in place before I was born, and it will be in place after I am gone - same with you. You're a small, insignificant piece in a much larger, more important system; and you can kick, scream, and bitch as much as you want, but this society is bigger than just you or I.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
When have the middle class bought homes without going into debt? most people for that matter.
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The levels of such are getting worse. Also, its NJ, this is an state of scum and liars. I wouldn't be surprised of landlords renting the property are counted as "owners".

There is a reason NJ is the most moved OUT of state in the entire Republic.
 
Conservative said:
Actually I am in those statistics posted and do look at the picture as it affects me and my family. Too bad others don't do that as well and then they would realize that politicians rely on feelings about others that create the electorate that Gruber was talking about
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And I again I say, vote third party. You say you only want to support one that has roots, that has local candidates, as well as national candidates.

How can a movement with little to no mainstream appeal, garner enough of a following, to produce local candidates?

I'm not asking you to believe the third party candidate you vote for is going to win. Only that you vote for them...enough people vote for someone, or a particular party...that person, and by extension, their party, WILL become news. You've gotta reach people through their TVs.


Oh sure, that's throwing your vote away, right? What difference does it make, if there is no effective change if either of the mainstream candidates get in office? Honestly. Do you think the last several years under Romney would have been even a LITTLE bit different? Keep dreaming.
 
whysoserious said:
That's a childish way to view life. First of all, no services are going to be distributed equally. We all pay for roads, but I don't use them the same amount as my neighbor, nor him to his neighbor. By the way, Papa bull, what is stopping you from using Medicaid? Can you explain that issue in length for me.
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actually it is the adult way of looking at it. the childish way of looking at it is "it's now fair that he has more than me".
what is stopping him from using Medicaid? he works for a living. he has improved himself and earns enough money that he doesn't qualify compared to others who working at walmart is good enough for them. yet complain they don't make enough but then don't want to do anything to improve themselves to make them more valuable.

Yes, Papa bull, there are many services that the government provides that I do not get to use or do not directly affect me. I realize this, and yet I am not going to moan, bitch, and whine about it. Most services the government provide have valid and important reasons for existing, regardless of whether or not they benefit me. The system was in place before I was born, and it will be in place after I am gone - same with you. You're a small, insignificant piece in a much larger, more important system; and you can kick, scream, and bitch as much as you want, but this society is bigger than just you or I.
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still not justification for wealth redistribution.
 
ludin said:
you do realize that it wasn't rich people that crashed the market right?
you do realize that your pay doesn't come from the bum on the side of the street right?

lol if you don't like getting paid what you get paid do something to improve it.
that is what all those evil rich people did.
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It was rich people that crashed the market. It was rich people that committed fraud, and passed off toxic mortgages off as USDA prime securities, which is what REALLY caused things to go down.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Rich liberals are the reason... spending, and keeping poor poor by taxing and giving them services. it's also designed to hurt the upper middle class by treating them like the lautenbergs, corzines, etc...
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Rich republicans are every bit as responsible.
 
ludin said:
yep jealous, but unwilling to do anything about it.
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No, truly, I'm not. I have most everything I want.

I got the girl, the car, and a nice house. Two good kids. Etc


You sound like you're projecting. You should look within yourself....search your feelings and ****. You sound like you have some genuine problems. You might want to address them.
 
KevinKohler said:
It was rich people that crashed the market. It was rich people that committed fraud, and passed off toxic mortgages off as USDA prime securities, which is what REALLY caused things to go down.
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nope not at all. it was the government that did it. not those evil rich people. they were just as much a victum of that fraud as everyone else.
maybe more so because some were talked into actually buying those securities as investments.

again the fact is if you don't like what you make then do something to make more. stop complaining about other people and their success.
 
KevinKohler said:
And I again I say, vote third party. You say you only want to support one that has roots, that has local candidates, as well as national candidates.

How can a movement with little to no mainstream appeal, garner enough of a following, to produce local candidates?

I'm not asking you to believe the third party candidate you vote for is going to win. Only that you vote for them...enough people vote for someone, or a particular party...that person, and by extension, their party, WILL become news. You've gotta reach people through their TVs.


Oh sure, that's throwing your vote away, right? What difference does it make, if there is no effective change if either of the mainstream candidates get in office? Honestly. Do you think the last several years under Romney would have been even a LITTLE bit different? Keep dreaming.
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Actually I prefer having a ticket to the table vs whining from the outside. We will never know what several years of Romney would have done. You speculate but at least he had the experience Obama still doesn't have after 6 years in office.
 
KevinKohler said:
No, truly, I'm not. I have most everything I want.

I got the girl, the car, and a nice house. Two good kids. Etc


You sound like you're projecting. You should look within yourself....search your feelings and ****. You sound like you have some genuine problems. You might want to address them.
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then quit complaining that someone else has more and you don't.
I have no issues I am not the one complaining about rich people you are.

if you are happy with your life then good for you. stop getting mad that someone has more than you do.
 
ludin said:
actually it is the adult way of looking at it. the childish way of looking at it is "it's now fair that he has more than me".
what is stopping him from using Medicaid? he works for a living. he has improved himself and earns enough money that he doesn't qualify compared to others who working at walmart is good enough for them. yet complain they don't make enough but then don't want to do anything to improve themselves to make them more valuable.

still not justification for wealth redistribution.
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Exactly, so it is available to him. He can get Medicaid, he just doesn't qualify for it.

It's such an egotistical viewpoint. "OMG they want my money because they are so poor and lazy". Man, just pay your taxes and quite down like the rest of us. No one gives a ****.
 
Conservative said:
When workers do enough to justify higher wages they will get it, if they aren't happy with what they make take their experience and education and move on. Start your own business with that experience and see that what liberals have told you is absolutely false.
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50 years ago, hell, even 30 years ago, I would have agreed with you 100%.

Times have changed, and you seem oblivious to that change. Our markets are regulated, causing entry barriers to would be start ups, reducing competition for the established. Since creating ones own business is more and more a risky bet with increasingly bad returns, this creates more surpluses in labor, which decreases the bargaining power, no matter HOW good of an employee one might be. And then, of course, there are the robots, ever more ready and willing to take those jobs and do them for free.

We are slowly, and soon to be PAINFULLY, transitioning into a dramatically reduced labor society. We either accept that certain things will need to be done in order to preserve our way of life, or we change our way of life...namely, no more consumer culture, but a simpler, less materialistic existence. Or we accept that consumerism requires consumers, and acknowledge that robots and poor people don't consume. Not as much as is needed to afford me my corvette, anyway, at least.
 
Ikari said:
The levels of such are getting worse. Also, its NJ, this is an state of scum and liars. I wouldn't be surprised of landlords renting the property are counted as "owners".
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I don't debate speculationg. if you have proof of this, feel free to share. I've shone 65% home ownership where close to 50% of the NJ population is middle class.


There is a reason NJ is the most moved OUT of state in the entire Republic.
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This I don't disagree with./
 
Conservative said:
Actually I prefer having a ticket to the table vs whining from the outside. We will never know what several years of Romney would have done. You speculate but at least he had the experience Obama still doesn't have after 6 years in office.
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We know exactly what 7 years of Romney would do. Neigh the exact same things that 7 years of Obama did.
 
whysoserious said:
That's a childish way to view life. First of all, no services are going to be distributed equally. We all pay for roads, but I don't use them the same amount as my neighbor, nor him to his neighbor. By the way, Papa bull, what is stopping you from using Medicaid? Can you explain that issue in length for me.

Yes, Papa bull, there are many services that the government provides that I do not get to use or do not directly affect me. I realize this, and yet I am not going to moan, bitch, and whine about it. Most services the government provide have valid and important reasons for existing, regardless of whether or not they benefit me. The system was in place before I was born, and it will be in place after I am gone - same with you. You're a small, insignificant piece in a much larger, more important system; and you can kick, scream, and bitch as much as you want, but this society is bigger than just you or I.
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Indirectly, we ALL use those services. Yeah, your neighbor uses those roads more than you. To get to his job. Making something, or providing a service. Which gets him money, which he then puts back into the market, which eventually finds it's way to you.

Same with social services. No, I don't use them. I'm 33. Don't need them. But I accept that I enjoy the society I live in, and that social services is one of the tools my government employes to preserve that society, to keep it from becoming something else, something I might enjoy FAR less.
 
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