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Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

imagep said:
Do you have any evidence to support this?
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OH, I don't know, 7.6 trillion added to the debt, 11.2% unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers, terrible recovery from what was described by liberals as the worst recession since the Great Depression, job creation just back to pre recession 2007 levels, total loss of the Congress, Obamacare causing premiums and deductibles to rise, loss of doctors and medical plan, rhetoric that doesn't match results, and I could go on but what is the use. You said you didn't vote for Obama and yet seem to support Obama polices so this is either an act or you are a liar like the guy in the WH
 
Conservative said:
OH, I don't know, 7.6 trillion added to the debt, 11.2% unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers, terrible recovery from what was described by liberals as the worst recession since the Great Depression, job creation just back to pre recession 2007 levels, total loss of the Congress, Obamacare causing premiums and deductibles to rise, loss of doctors and medical plan, rhetoric that doesn't match results, and I could go on but what is the use. You said you didn't vote for Obama and yet seem to support Obama polices so this is either an act or you are a liar like the guy in the WH
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Some of the Obama policies I support, some I don't, some I don't support, some are absolutely horrid, but I do defend when political hacks are making invalid attacks on.

Anyhow, all I see you doing is cherry picking metrics and facts, but I guess everyone does that, including myself. I can just as easily make a list of stuff which indicates you are correct, but I guess that's pointless, and I am sure you are aware of the facts that I would post.
 
I saw the second half of the state of the union, and I watched the part about the wealth disparity. I do not recall him saying anything about raising taxes to the rich. All he was talking about was closing loopholes in the tax code, so that corporations and the wealthy have to pay their fair share of taxes. He wasn't raising taxes - rather he was changing the tax code.

I think that is a very distinct and important difference. And I think it makes sense. The tax code needs to be simplified, we all know this, we all want this, but the people in power keep it the way it is because as that one really successful investor said, he pays less taxes than his secretary.
 
Napoleon said:
Its not possible to blame Obama for waste in infrastructure project spending. Most of that money was given to the States and they decided how it should be spent. People talk about infrastructure spending as if its optional but it isn't.
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President Obama's Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures
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Obama supporters will go hysterical over this well sourced list of 252 examples of his lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc.
Here's How Obama Spent $792 Billion On Fiscal Stimulus - Business Insider

Really? He blew it. Period.
 
Declan said:
Apparently the anti-obama people think they can balance the budget, expand the military, and pay off the debt without raising taxes. Good luck with that. You have two years before you lose a chamber again.
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no but we tire of the pandering that only guarantees more government when pimps like Obama tell the masses they can have more and more paid for by less and less voters
 
sookster said:
I saw the second half of the state of the union, and I watched the part about the wealth disparity. I do not recall him saying anything about raising taxes to the rich. All he was talking about was closing loopholes in the tax code, so that corporations and the wealthy have to pay their fair share of taxes. He wasn't raising taxes - rather he was changing the tax code.

I think that is a very distinct and important difference. And I think it makes sense. The tax code needs to be simplified, we all know this, we all want this, but the people in power keep it the way it is because as that one really successful investor said, he pays less taxes than his secretary.
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clue-the rich pay far more than any objective definition of FAIR SHARE

obama is a pimp pandering to people who blame their failures on "the rich"

Buffett doesn't pay less than his secretary. He pays a higher tax on his earned income than she does

anyone who believes that idiocy is really gullible
 
TurtleDude said:
clue-the rich pay far more than any objective definition of FAIR SHARE

obama is a pimp pandering to people who blame their failures on "the rich"

Buffett doesn't pay less than his secretary. He pays a higher tax on his earned income than she does

anyone who believes that idiocy is really gullible
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It's my understanding that Buffet only has a salary of $100k/yr, and that he pays no taxes on his investments as he has yet to realize any capital gains because he has never sold a share of BH. Berkshire Hathaway does not issue dividends, so there would be no taxable income, other than for his salary.

It's entirely possible that he pays his secretary more than $100k/yr, so he might very well pay a lower effective tax rate, even if we don't include his unrealized capital gains.

But I may have this wrong.
 
TurtleDude said:
no but we tire of the pandering that only guarantees more government when pimps like Obama tell the masses they can have more and more paid for by less and less voters
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But Turtle it is your duty to pay for my college, healthcare, and my new BMW.
 
cpgrad08 said:
But Turtle it is your duty to pay for my college, healthcare, and my new BMW.
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Wow. You have healthcare? Rush said that once the employer mandate started no one would have healthcare.
 
imagep said:
Wow. You have healthcare? Rush said that once the employer mandate started no one would have healthcare.
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I do not have health ins. I do have VA access for being a Vet. I refused to use the State Exchange since 1. Know one in the state accepts those plans and 2. Not the government to mandate me to have health coverage.
 
imagep said:
It's my understanding that Buffet only has a salary of $100k/yr, and that he pays no taxes on his investments as he has yet to realize any capital gains because he has never sold a share of BH. Berkshire Hathaway does not issue dividends, so there would be no taxable income, other than for his salary.

It's entirely possible that he pays his secretary more than $100k/yr, so he might very well pay a lower effective tax rate, even if we don't include his unrealized capital gains.

But I may have this wrong.
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Buffett has income of millions a year

he only pays himself 100K in earned income in order to minimize the income tax. He has the power to structure hi salary so as to minimize taxes. His secretary makes over 300K in salary

He complains about a system he has rigged in his favor and he is a lying asshole

he is a liar because his dividend income is actually taxed twice but he pretends its only taxed at 15%

and for someone to have earned income taxed at an EFFECTIVE rate of more than 15% they almost always are well above 100K-meaning they are probably investing some of it and certainly aren't complaining about unearned income being subject to lower rates
 
cpgrad08 said:
But Turtle it is your duty to pay for my college, healthcare, and my new BMW.
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about all I am willing to facilitate for some parasites is a lobotomy:mrgreen: at about 2750 FPS at a cost of about 33cents apiece:mrgreen:
 
imagep said:
Some of the Obama policies I support, some I don't, some I don't support, some are absolutely horrid, but I do defend when political hacks are making invalid attacks on.

Anyhow, all I see you doing is cherry picking metrics and facts, but I guess everyone does that, including myself. I can just as easily make a list of stuff which indicates you are correct, but I guess that's pointless, and I am sure you are aware of the facts that I would post.
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My issue has always been resume driven and the lack of leadership skills. You say I cherry pick, ok, be specific on what? What exactly has Obama done that you support or that he should get credit for? Can you give me an example of Obama leadership skills?
 
cpgrad08 said:
I do not have health ins. I do have VA access for being a Vet. I refused to use the State Exchange since 1. Know one in the state accepts those plans and 2. Not the government to mandate me to have health coverage.
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But yet you don't have an issue with the government paying for your care through the VA? I'm not dissing your choice, you earned your government paid for care, just making an observation.

We don't have a state exchange, but the federal exchange offers a couple of dozen different plan choices, and virtually all of our local health care providers accept them, it's just a matter of chosing the policy which as the PPO which you prefer, just like any other insurance, or of course policies can still be purchased direct from the insurance company or through a broker. Nothing has really changed.
 
imagep said:
But yet you don't have an issue with the government paying for your care through the VA? I'm not dissing your choice, you earned your government paid for care, just making an observation.

We don't have a state exchange, but the federal exchange offers a couple of dozen different plan choices, and virtually all of our local health care providers accept them, it's just a matter of chosing the policy which as the PPO which you prefer, just like any other insurance, or of course policies can still be purchased direct from the insurance company or through a broker. Nothing has really changed.
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I really go to VA it's only for Service related stuff and not really since at the time me being employed by the government that is one of the benefits they agreed to give me as long as got a Honorable discharge.

Also the VA is an example of why you really don't want to have the government in charge of health care.
 
TurtleDude said:
shooting looters is a respected tradition
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Your words
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about all I am willing to facilitate for some parasites is a lobotomy at about 2750 FPS at a cost of about 33cents apiece
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Could you show the reading audience where you mention "looters" in the comment. Your many comments over the time I've been participating in this forum just might lead one to believe you had just a few other groups in mind when you wrote that earlier comment. Advocating murder does not lead to a peaceful society despite all the rhetoric spewing forth from the ammosexuals.
 
Somerville said:
Your words Could you show the reading audience where you mention "looters" in the comment. Your many comments over the time I've been participating in this forum just might lead one to believe you had just a few other groups in mind when you wrote that earlier comment. Advocating murder does not lead to a peaceful society despite all the rhetoric spewing forth from the ammosexuals.
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What is an "ammosexual"
 
imagep said:
But yet you don't have an issue with the government paying for your care through the VA? I'm not dissing your choice, you earned your government paid for care, just making an observation.

We don't have a state exchange, but the federal exchange offers a couple of dozen different plan choices, and virtually all of our local health care providers accept them, it's just a matter of chosing the policy which as the PPO which you prefer, just like any other insurance, or of course policies can still be purchased direct from the insurance company or through a broker. Nothing has really changed.
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As far as I know Scott, the Federal Exchange offers 4 levels of plan, and different companies offering these levels...That is not quite the same thing as "dozens of plans" now is it....Essentially, they are all offering the same 4 plans, just at nominally differing pricing....So, AFAIK Obamacare actually limited choice.
 
j-mac said:
As far as I know Scott, the Federal Exchange offers 4 levels of plan, and different companies offering these levels...That is not quite the same thing as "dozens of plans" now is it....Essentially, they are all offering the same 4 plans, just at nominally differing pricing....So, AFAIK Obamacare actually limited choice.
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It is dozens of plans, I know because I purchased one last year. There are two carriers for SC on the exchange, each company has multiple options at the gold, silver, and bronze level. Most states have more than two carriers though, and the states that opted to have their own exchanges tend to have many carriers.

Last year I picked one of the several bronze level plans, the one that was HSA compliant, which was the least expensive.

Obamacare limited no choices. We can still purchase off exchange policies, from companies like Blue Cross, and most of those are Obamacare compliant. There are also non-Obamacare compliant plans, which don't allow for the avoidance of the penalty, but they tend to be cheaper, and crappier.

Back in Dec, I googled "insurance", and filled out a couple of forms for off-exchange markets. I had dozens of companies calling me trying to sell me insurance, every day, really got annoying. I talked to several, and each one had multiple options.

Most of what we "hear" is based upon someone who never even bothered to look.
 
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imagep said:
It is dozens of plans, I know because I purchased one last year. There are two carriers for SC on the exchange, each company has multiple options at the gold, silver, and bronze level. Most states have more than two carriers though, and the states that opted to have their own exchanges tend to have many carriers.

Last year I picked one of the several bronze level plans, the one that was HSA compliant, which was the least expensive.

Obamacare limited no choices. We can still purchase off exchange policies, from companies like Blue Cross, and most of those are Obamacare compliant. There are also non-Obamacare compliant plans, which don't allow for the avoidance of the penalty, but they tend to be cheaper, and crappier.

Back in Dec, I googled "insurance", and filled out a couple of forms for off-exchange markets. I had dozens of companies calling me trying to sell me insurance, every day, really got annoying. I talked to several, and each one had multiple options.

Most of what we "hear" is based upon someone who never even bothered to look.
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Hey, Imagep, how you coming find those lies you claim I make and I certainly look forward to hearing about those cherrypicked data I post. It seems quite interesting to me that people like you and the liberals in this group claim that I lie, cherry pick data but never refute it with verifiable information other than your personal opinions. NIMBY is good at that as well.
 
Conservative said:
Hey, Imagep, how you coming find those lies you claim I make and I certainly look forward to hearing about those cherrypicked data I post. It seems quite interesting to me that people like you and the liberals in this group claim that I lie, cherry pick data but never refute it with verifiable information other than your personal opinions. NIMBY is good at that as well.
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I don't remember every saying that you "lie".

But you do cherry pick the data which "proves" your point. As long as those particular facts are true, I can't directly refute them, other than to post similar cherry picked data which would lead one to believe that your overall point is incorrect. Likewise, that's all you can do to my cherry picked data. I do frequently post facts, but it just felt pointless, and I'm tired of doing it.
 
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