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Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

Conservative said:
Yep, let's violate the Constitution which says PROVIDE for the Common defense
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There's nothing in the Constitution which specifies a specific dollar amount nor is there any law which requires Congress to allocate more money to the DOD than it can justify.
 
Conservative said:
Yep, let's violate the Constitution which says PROVIDE for the Common defense
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We haven't been attacked by any country since 2001. I had no issue with Iraq.

There is nothing in the constitution that says the government can provide for the common offense.
 
Napoleon said:
There's nothing in the Constitution which specifies a specific dollar amount nor is there any law which requires Congress to allocate more money to the DOD than it can justify.
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No there isn't and I am sure there is waste, fraud, and abuse in that budget as well but "Slashing it" without details is a problem for me. The 3.9 trillion dollar U.S. Budget request from Obama included 800 billion for defense. That is about 20% of the budget for the major requirement of the Federal Govt. as required by the Constitution. I don't call that number outrageous or in need of slashing
 
imagep said:
We haven't been attacked by any country since 2001.

And even then, it was only because they thought that Bush was such a weak president, so it's really all his fault, he should have paid for the cost of his wars out of his pocket.
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They were wrong, weren't they? 9/11 was planned during the Clinton term and the terrorists attended flight school with Clinton in office. Guess they saw Clinton shoot a multi million dollar missile into a tent in Afghanistan hitting a camel in the ass and thought that would be Bush's response as well. it wasn't and there are a lot of terrorists dead because of Bush's actions.
 
Conservative said:
No there isn't and I am sure there is waste, fraud, and abuse in that budget as well but "Slashing it" without details is a problem for me. The 3.9 trillion dollar U.S. Budget request from Obama included 800 billion for defense. That is about 20% of the budget for the major requirement of the Federal Govt. as required by the Constitution. I don't call that number outrageous or in need of slashing
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I don't call a less than 3% budget increase outrageous or in need of slashing.

I guess it's just a matter of viewpoint. Who is to say who is right.
 
Conservative said:
They were wrong, weren't they? 9/11 was planned during the Clinton term and the terrorists attended flight school with Clinton in office. Guess they saw Clinton shoot a multi million dollar missile into a tent in Afghanistan hitting a camel in the ass and thought that would be Bush's response as well. it wasn't and there are a lot of terrorists dead because of Bush's actions.
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There are also hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians too.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
There are also hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians too.
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I wonder where the constitution says that the US government should engage in an unprovoked war against a country that has never attacked us and was issuing no threats to attack us? Surely that's got to be in there somewhere, or else Conservative would be condemning Bush for that action.
 
Until you explain your vision for the Federal Govt. and its responsibility it would serve no purpose and you wouldn't understand it anyway. I have posted mu line item budget many times. Liberals would go ballistic because they need something to whine about and rather than their state and local government they blame the Federal Govt. and that gives way to what Obama wants a massive central govt which 3.9 trillion is
 
Conservative said:
No there isn't and I am sure there is waste, fraud, and abuse in that budget as well but "Slashing it" without details is a problem for me. The 3.9 trillion dollar U.S. Budget request from Obama included 800 billion for defense. That is about 20% of the budget for the major requirement of the Federal Govt. as required by the Constitution. I don't call that number outrageous or in need of slashing
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The Department of Defense is the only government department or agency that I know of which has been declared un-auditable by GAO for over a decade and their failure to retain documentation of their expenditures is a violation of federal law. It was determined that at least 25% of its expenditures were unaccounted for the last time they could even come close to an audit. Hundreds of billions of dollars disappeared into unknown pockets. And you want to give them MORE money?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
There are also hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians too.
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War is hell and always will be. Iraq was won by Bush and Obama has lost the peace. You have no idea how many Iraqi civilians were killed in Iraq by Americans but that doesn't stop you from complaining
 
Napoleon said:
The Department of Defense is the only government department or agency that I know of which has been declared un-auditable by GAO for over a decade and their failure to retain documentation of their expenditures is a violation of federal law. It was determined that at least 25% of its expenditures were unaccounted for the last time they could even come close to an audit. Hundreds of billions of dollars disappeared into unknown pockets. And you want to give them MORE money?
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Hundreds of billions? Really? out of a 800 billion dollar budget, that is your claim? Any idea what expenses are in that number? How about military salaries and benefits
 
Conservative said:
War is hell and always will be. Iraq was won by Bush and Obama has lost the peace. You have no idea how many Iraqi civilians were killed in Iraq by Americans but that doesn't stop you from complaining
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There was no need to fight in Iraq in the first place.
 
Where do you want to start cutting the budget--not just keep each department frozen at the same level as the previous year ?

Conservative said:
Hundreds of billions? Really? out of a 800 billion dollar budget, that is your claim? Any idea what expenses are in that number? How about military salaries and benefits
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Conservative said:
War is hell and always will be. Iraq was won by Bush and Obama has lost the peace.
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Iraq never attacked us. Bush lost the peace by attacking Iraq, ISIS is the direct result of Bush's actions.

Every penny we spent and continue to spend on Iraq is money down the drain, and adds to the federal debt.
 
Conservative said:
Hundreds of billions? Really? out of a 800 billion dollar budget, that is your claim? Any idea what expenses are in that number? How about military salaries and benefits
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I assume that salaries and benefits were paid out of the 800 billion dollar budget. Why wouldn't they be?
 
Conservative said:
War is hell and always will be. Iraq was won by Bush and Obama has lost the peace.
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Iraq was won by 4,500 dead soldiers and tens of thousands more that are now maimed for life.
Not to mention the 22 who commit suicide every day and all the rest in an overloaded VA system because of the two lying scumbag chickenhawks Bush/Cheney.
Assuming the color of blood belongs to one party is a despicable thing for you to say.
and You have no idea how many Iraqi civilians were killed in Iraq by Americans but that doesn't stop you from complaining
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Obviously you don't either--though it's an easy Google.
In your world, does over 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed by a war based on a LIE mean anything ?
 
Conservative said:
Hundreds of billions? Really? out of a 800 billion dollar budget, that is your claim? Any idea what expenses are in that number? How about military salaries and benefits
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We have no reason to believe that the last reported figure of unexplained expenditures has improved so lets say 25%. Thats $200 billion which will be disappeared into the pockets of unknown individuals for unknown reasons and this is how it tries to hide it. People should have been sent to federal prison for this years ago but I doubt anyone, Republican or Democrat, has the spine to take on this issue.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
There was no need to fight in Iraq in the first place.
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Too late, that war is over, the debt is on the books, too late to do anything about it now. You voted for Obama who has generated terrible economic results, is using drones to kill innocent civilians, and ran up a 7.6 trillion dollar debt but the best you can do is relive what you cannot control or change. Still supporting Obama?
 
NIMBY said:
Where do you want to start cutting the budget--not just keep each department frozen at the same level as the previous year ?
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I have told you where I would start cutting the budget many times but you ignored it. Take SS and Medicare off budget and then return all other social programs including unemployment, healthcare to the states. eliminate the Depts. of education, transportation, and commerce. I can go on but none of it matters to liberals who would go in the other direction
 
imagep said:
Iraq never attacked us. Bush lost the peace by attacking Iraq, ISIS is the direct result of Bush's actions.

Every penny we spent and continue to spend on Iraq is money down the drain, and adds to the federal debt.
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That is your opinion, there is nothing we can do about it now. Iraq was stable according to Obama when we pulled out so better get your story straight. The Iraq War is over, our troops are home, we have no bases in Iraq so what are we spending there and does it really matter now. Obama is in the WH, he saved us and still wants 3.9 trillion dollars, no war, no recession, no stimulus and what do you do, continue to live in the past ignoring the present
 
imagep said:
I assume that salaries and benefits were paid out of the 800 billion dollar budget. Why wouldn't they be?
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That is where they belong but another so called progressive/liberal wants to cut hundreds of billions from the defense budget. I am still waiting for you to explain why we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget? You can't so you continue to divert or try to justify it because of the so called small increase which is real dollars, no wars, no recession, no stimulus all included in the previous Obama budgets so now he wants to increase those budgets more, why?
 
NIMBY said:
Iraq was won by 4,500 dead soldiers and tens of thousands more that are now maimed for life.
Not to mention the 22 who commit suicide every day and all the rest in an overloaded VA system because of the two lying scumbag chickenhawks Bush/Cheney.
Assuming the color of blood belongs to one party is a despicable thing for you to say.

Obviously you don't either--though it's an easy Google.
In your world, does over 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed by a war based on a LIE mean anything ?
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What means something to me is people like you continuing to live in the past. I had three family members in Iraq, did you serve? Stop with the self serving liberal bull**** and diversion. You buy everything your liberal leadership tells you while ignoring that which you can control and change now. I don't give a damn what Google says because it doesn't distinguish how many were actually killed in the war or by their own people.
 
Napoleon said:
We have no reason to believe that the last reported figure of unexplained expenditures has improved so lets say 25%. Thats $200 billion which will be disappeared into the pockets of unknown individuals for unknown reasons and this is how it tries to hide it. People should have been sent to federal prison for this years ago but I doubt anyone, Republican or Democrat, has the spine to take on this issue.
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We have no war, we have no recession, we have no stimulus and "your" President has proposed a 800 billion dollar defense budget and a 3.9 trillion total. I assume you no longer support that?
 
We're all still waiting for you to tell us where the budget can be cut.
Since you claim certain areas are off-limits ad must actually be raised.

And when you would start your austerity budget--plunging us into a European recession.
Like the one going on right now--dragging the World's economy down.

We all know you people aren't willing to do anything Obama wants--afraid of something going right before the next election.
We are forever mired in this 2-year unbroken circle .

Conservative said:
That is where they belong but another so called progressive/liberal wants to cut hundreds of billions from the defense budget. I am still waiting for you to explain why we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget? You can't so you continue to divert or try to justify it because of the so called small increase which is real dollars, no wars, no recession, no stimulus all included in the previous Obama budgets so now he wants to increase those budgets more, why?
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