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Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

imagep said:
Nope.

But when they do, they will also pay higher taxes, assuming that they make big bucks for their invention, so all is fair.

What amazes me is that so many conservatives will use the argument that everyone has an equal opportunity to get rich. Then they complain that it's not fair that the rich pay more in taxes. I dunno whats not fair about it when everyone has a shot of getting rich.

No one forces the rich to pay more in taxes, they can just chose to not be rich.
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That's true, with so many ways to legally avoid paying taxes, it just cements these increases as political.
 
haymarket said:
Nor should you.

YOu are confusing retail shopping experience where one loads up their cart at Costco with only what they desire for themselves with the payments of ones taxes to the peoples government representing all of society.

The two are very very different things and should not at all be compared nor confused.
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I am confusing nothing. I am making a philosophical argument that the current system is designed to pander to the many which is what the pimps in office want

and those who get more than they pay want to justify making others subsidize their goodies and pretend its fair
 
TurtleDude said:
some things are so ludicrous that there is no need for further proof
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Thanks for admitting you have no way of knowing just how much anybody is getting in government services from their tax dollars.
 
Samhain said:
That's true, with so many ways to legally avoid paying taxes, it just cements these increases as political.
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yes but those of us in the top 1% and all our lawyers and accountants and trusts still pay almost 40% of the income tax despite making about 20% of the income. so even with those strategies we are still getting screwed big time
 
TurtleDude said:
why are you dishonestly confusing total tax burden
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If the objective is to determine who pays the most taxes, then the total tax burden is the only relevant statistic. Hello?! :rolleyes:

Incidentally, the top 5% do pay most the largest chunk of capital gains taxes in the country, so I s'pose td now will claim that proves they're picking up most of the burden. :lamo
 
haymarket said:
Thanks for admitting you have no way of knowing just how much anybody is getting in government services from their tax dollars.
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thanks for engaging in the normal evasive nonsense that your posts are known for. the issue is why should the rich pay more taxes when they already pay far more than what they use even if we cannot calculate use down to the individual level

only a fool can argue that a group that makes up 50% of the population but pay only 3% or less of the income tax, and none of the death tax are paying their fair share compared to 1% of the population that pays at least 35% of the income tax and all the death taxes
 
TurtleDude said:
I am confusing nothing. I am making a philosophical argument that the current system is designed to pander to the many which is what the pimps in office want

and those who get more than they pay want to justify making others subsidize their goodies and pretend its fair
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Yes you are confusing these two things and you have done so for a very long time now when these discussions come around every few months.

We have been through this over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread. Remember your infamous NET TAXPAYER Turtle? Remember how you were unable to quantify just what constituted one with any formula that could be applied to real people?

This is merely a continuation of that same old same old.

btw- your argument is NOT PHILOSOPHICAL. It is now and has always been a strictly personal one of finances pure and simple devoid from any so called philosophy or principle.
 
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solletica said:
If the objective is to determine who pays the most taxes, then the total tax burden is the only relevant statistic. Hello?! :rolleyes:

Incidentally, the top 5% do pay most the largest chunk of capital gains taxes in the country, so I s'pose td now will claim that proves they're picking up most of the burden. :lamo
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and the top one percent should be paying ONE Percent of the total tax burden if fairness was the point

and one of my favorite specious left wing arguments is that progressive taxes should be MORE progressive to balance other taxes that were never intended to be progressive
 
TurtleDude said:
thanks for engaging in the normal evasive nonsense that your posts are known for. the issue is why should the rich pay more taxes when they already pay far more than what they use even if we cannot calculate use down to the individual level

only a fool can argue that a group that makes up 50% of the population but pay only 3% or less of the income tax, and none of the death tax are paying their fair share compared to 1% of the population that pays at least 35% of the income tax and all the death taxes
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1- there are no such thing as death taxes.
2- there is no relationship between taxes paid and services used so drop that phony line at once or take it back into the barn with the other strawmen.
3- until you can calculate such things - it is intellectual fraud to hide behind them since they are unproven and unquantifiable.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
funny that you bolded about 30% of my claim and ignored the rest. Why would that be?
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Even the longest journey begins with a single step. I note that you still do not even attempt to back up your bold assertions - perhaps I should have ignored them all.
 
haymarket said:
Thanks for admitting you have no way of knowing just how much anybody is getting in government services from their tax dollars.
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But I'm sure you believe the poor aren't getting enough of whatever that figure is.
 
haymarket said:
1- there are no such thing as death taxes.
2- there is no relationship between taxes paid and services used so drop that phony line at once or take it back into the barn with the other strawmen.
3- until you can calculate such things - it is intellectual fraud to hide behind them since they are unproven and unquantifiable.
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No such thing as death taxes? Why a client of my wife just wrote a check for $1.5 million to the IRS for taxes caused by the death of her father. That tax was not due until the father made the mistake of dying. So it's certainly not a living tax.

Living = No taxes owned

Stop Living, as in Death = Taxes owed.

Yep, Death Tax.
 
ocean515 said:
No such thing as death taxes? Why a client of my wife just wrote a check for $1.5 million to the IRS for taxes caused by the death of her father. That tax was not due until the father made the mistake of dying. So it's certainly not a living tax.

Living = No taxes owned

Stop Living, as in Death = Taxes owed.

Yep, Death Tax.
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There is no tax paying for the death of anyone. Please do not engage in that sort of gross dishonesty.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Even the longest journey begins with a single step. I note that you still do not even attempt to back up your bold assertions - perhaps I should have ignored them all.
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see my chart a few pages back.


try to keep up, this isn't rocket science.
 
haymarket said:
There is no tax paying for the death of anyone. Please do not engage in that sort of gross dishonesty.
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I think you should do something about your confusion over the meaning of death tax. I'm sure you don't want to look like a fool with your current one.
 
ocean515 said:
No such thing as death taxes? Why a client of my wife just wrote a check for $1.5 million to the IRS for taxes caused by the death of her father. That tax was not due until the father made the mistake of dying. So it's certainly not a living tax.

Living = No taxes owned

Stop Living, as in Death = Taxes owed.

Yep, Death Tax.
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The tax was on her inheritance, not her fathers death.

Anyhow, the vast majority of us would love to be in a position where we were able to write a check to the IRS for $1.5 million. I hope you and your wife aren't complaining about this "misfortune".

Sorry to hear about his death though. I know that the death of a parent is never an easy thing to deal with.
 
disneydude said:
Must be pretty difficult shuffling around because you constantly get tripped up by the facts. Sorry Con.....but you are dead wrong and have been shown it numerous times. The BLS numbers say that Texas and Mississippi lead the country in the percentage of people working for minimum wage and under. Must make you proud....then again I guess not because you continue to try to distort and dance around. At least its entertaining us all.
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The BLS also says that California leads the Nation in poverty rates.

Plus its currently the home to 1/3 of this Nations welfare recipients.

Does that make you Libs proud ?
 
imagep said:
The tax was on her inheritance, not her fathers death.

Anyhow, the vast majority of us would love to be in a position where we were able to write a check to the IRS for $1.5 million. I hope you and your wife aren't complaining about this "misfortune".

Sorry to hear about his death though. I know that the death of a parent is never an easy thing to deal with.
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Umm. I think you missed the part about the person writing the check was a client, but thanks for the sentiment.

The tax resulted from the death of my wife's client. It was a tax on his estate. The tax was not levied until he died. That's called a death tax.

I understand the greedy confiscation, shut up and be happy thing, envy does that to people who can't dream big enough.
 
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