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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Sure, every budget has waste in it.

    But every penny that is wasted, re-enters our private sector economy. It's not like money can only be spent once.

    Now if it was up to me, I would phase out all means tested spending, which is essentially paying people to do nothing, and I would divert that money into infrastructure spending which can improve everyone's lives, and facilitate private sector growth.

    If we had never built the Hoover Damn, LA and Vegas wouldn't be the booming places they are today. If we wouldn't have built our roadways, companies like UPS wouldn't exist. If we didn't have an education work force, many a company wouldn't exist.
    Even if we have to print it out of thin air right? Look, Obama was already given a trillion supposedly for infrastructure projects. He used it to line the pockets of his friends....Now he want's more....Government today is the equivalent of a heroin addict...They come to us every time saying that all they need is one more fix, then later they come back and say the same thing, and we keep giving it to them....
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Even if we have to print it out of thin air right? Look, Obama was already given a trillion supposedly for infrastructure projects. He used it to line the pockets of his friends....Now he want's more....Government today is the equivalent of a heroin addict...They come to us every time saying that all they need is one more fix, then later they come back and say the same thing, and we keep giving it to them....
    Its not possible to blame Obama for waste in infrastructure project spending. Most of that money was given to the States and they decided how it should be spent. People talk about infrastructure spending as if its optional but it isn't.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Even if we have to print it out of thin air right?
    Yup, that would be my first choice. That's where money comes from!

    Look, Obama was already given a trillion supposedly for infrastructure projects. He used it to line the pockets of his friends....
    I dunno that it was that much, I assume you are referring to the spendulous bill, which was neither a trillion dollars or all spent on infrastructure, but I don't totally disagree.

    Now he want's more....Government today is the equivalent of a heroin addict...They come to us every time saying that all they need is one more fix, then later they come back and say the same thing, and we keep giving it to them....
    The government should spend on infrastructure every year. As our economy grows, and our population grows, and existing infrastructure wears out, it has to be replenished.

    But I think that for some reason you have this idea that the 3.9 trillion dollar budget proposal is all jacked up. It's not. It's less than a 3% increase, far less than the Bush increases, less than Clintons increases, less than the Bush dad's increases, and less than the late great Ronald Reagan's increases. You do realize that the previous budget was 3.8 billion don't you?

    There is actually nothing to get all outraged over, other than the Fox News headlines, which fail to inform you that it is less than a 3% increase. What Fox News doesn't want us to know is that even including the spendulous bill, Obama has increased spending at a slower rate than virtually any other president.

    If you want you can give credit to republican obstructionism all you want, but he's not even ASKING or proposing an increase as much as what Bush or Reagan did.

    I used to be a stanch conservative, just like you. Then I started looking at actual economic history, and realized that conservative rhetoric runs counter to reality. Seriously, if you want to retard government spending, and to reduce or eliminate the deficit, you have better vote for a democrat for president.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I'm far from a card carrying liberal, but probably because percentages matter.

    Assuming that our last budget was about right (and I totally get that you don't think it was, but just humor me for a second), then increasing the next budget by enough to accommodate population growth and inflation is required to keep our budget "about right". Anything more than that represents an unneeded growth of government, which is exactly what happened under Reagan and both Bushes.

    We could just as easily uses a per citizen figure, but that figure would still need to be adjusted for inflation, and inflation is always stated in percentages, so there would still be that "percentage" part of the forumula. There's no way around it.

    Just be thankful that Obama didn't jack up our spending, in terms of percent, nearly as much as Reagan or the Bush family did. Adjusted for inflation and population, it's been pretty much flat, or maybe even slightly reduced.
    Only someone who doesn't understand the role of the Federal Govt. can make a statement like that. Does it make sense to you, no wars, no 9/11, a growing economy and we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget? Don't give a damn about population growth just the overreach of the Federal Govt. that is typical BS

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Only someone who doesn't understand the role of the Federal Govt. can make a statement like that. Does it make sense to you, no wars, no 9/11, a growing economy and we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget? Don't give a damn about population growth just the overreach of the Federal Govt. that is typical BS
    You're right. We should slash military spending.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    You're right. We should slash military spending.
    Yep, let's violate the Constitution which says PROVIDE for the Common defense

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Yep, let's violate the Constitution which says PROVIDE for the Common defense
    There's nothing in the Constitution which specifies a specific dollar amount nor is there any law which requires Congress to allocate more money to the DOD than it can justify.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Yep, let's violate the Constitution which says PROVIDE for the Common defense
    We haven't been attacked by any country since 2001. I had no issue with Iraq.

    There is nothing in the constitution that says the government can provide for the common offense.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    There's nothing in the Constitution which specifies a specific dollar amount nor is there any law which requires Congress to allocate more money to the DOD than it can justify.
    No there isn't and I am sure there is waste, fraud, and abuse in that budget as well but "Slashing it" without details is a problem for me. The 3.9 trillion dollar U.S. Budget request from Obama included 800 billion for defense. That is about 20% of the budget for the major requirement of the Federal Govt. as required by the Constitution. I don't call that number outrageous or in need of slashing

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    We haven't been attacked by any country since 2001.

    And even then, it was only because they thought that Bush was such a weak president, so it's really all his fault, he should have paid for the cost of his wars out of his pocket.
    They were wrong, weren't they? 9/11 was planned during the Clinton term and the terrorists attended flight school with Clinton in office. Guess they saw Clinton shoot a multi million dollar missile into a tent in Afghanistan hitting a camel in the ass and thought that would be Bush's response as well. it wasn't and there are a lot of terrorists dead because of Bush's actions.

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