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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Third world countries also don't have 50 sovereign states with their own taxes and revenue stream as well as tax structure. What you don't seem to understand is the more money the Federal Govt. takes from the taxpayers the less money the people of the state to have to spend within the state
    So if our states jacked up tax rates, and the federal government correspondingly lowered tax rates, everything would be OK?

    My feeling is that to the extent that taxation is tyranny, tyranny by the state is no better than tyranny by the federal government.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    You said that 911 was paid for. That implies, that there was no addition to the federal debt during the Bush years.
    All expenses on and off budget are part of the deficits for the fiscal year in which they incur and that includes supplemental expenses just like the supplement Obama generated with the stimulus, Afghanistan, and AIG Bailout. Not exactly sure what you are trying to do here but you are making me look extremely smart and we cannot allow that to happen

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    So if our states jacked up tax rates, and took over all spending other than military, everything would be OK?
    We will never know, liberals like being dependent on the Federal govt. and expanding their role or better yet having someone else to blame for failure. I love how liberals believe that it is the Federal government's role to take care of social issues at our state and local level. Now tell me exactly what a Federal bureaucrat knows about a social problem in upstate South Carolina? Get my point yet? Social problems are state and local issues not federal.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    That is absolutely true so what is your point? All those expenses are paid for in the year they happened and part of the yearly deficits which are added to the debt. Here is something that may but probably won't give you information on the deficits and the debt. for your information the fiscal year of the U.S. runs from October to September so reviewing the numbers you will find that Obama inherited a 10.6 trillion dollar debt on January 21, 2009 and it is 18.2 trillion today. It does appear that you don't understand deficits and debt. Let me help you, deficits are yearly(October to September) and debt is the accumulation of deficits. Now I know that people like you are going to blame Bush for the 2009 deficit so if you can show me the budget that Bush signed for 2009 I will agree with you. You aren't going to like seeing the signature on that budget

    I am waiting for you, Mr. Progressive to tell me why we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget?

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    Apparently all a POTUS has to do these days to pass on his problems to the next potus is to fail to fulfill his responsiblities. Wow. You guys can get very creative with this stuff.

    Maybe Obama should jack up all of our spending during his last few months in office, so that Hillary (or whoever wins) can take the blame. That would be proof that he is a good POTUS, no?
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Apparently all a POTUS has to do these days to pass on his problems to the next potus is to fail to fulfill his responsiblities. Wow. You guys can get very creative with this stuff.

    Maybe Obama should jack up all of our spending during his last few months in office, so that Hillary (or whoever wins) can take the blame. That would be proof that he is a good POTUS, no?
    Or you can do what Obama does take credit for proposing a 3.9 trillion dollar budget have it rejected and then take credit for cutting the deficit in half or he and his supporters can continue to blame Bush for the 2009 budget which Obama signed. That is more likely what is going to happen because it is happening

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    We will never know, liberals like being dependent on the Federal govt. and expanding their role or better yet having someone else to blame for failure. I love how liberals believe that it is the Federal government's role to take care of social issues at our state and local level. Now tell me exactly what a Federal bureaucrat knows about a social problem in upstate South Carolina? Get my point yet? Social problems are state and local issues not federal.
    We have congress critters that represent SC. Maybe you've heard of people like Jim Demint, Trey Gowdy, Joe Wilson, Lindsy Graham or Tim Scott.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Or you can do what Obama does take credit for proposing a 3.9 trillion dollar budget have it rejected and then take credit for cutting the deficit in half or he and his supporters can continue to blame Bush for the 2009 budget which Obama signed. That is more likely what is going to happen because it is happening
    We are talking about a 2.6% increase. That's far less than the Bush budgets or Reagan budgets increased from year to year.

    If he had proposed a huge % increase, something substantially larger than inflation plus population growth, you would have a point.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    We have congress critters that represent SC. Maybe you've heard of people like Jim Demint, Trey Gowdy, Joe Wilson, Lindsy Graham or Tim Scott.
    Yeah, the last I heard they were one of 435 in the House and 100 in the Senate and we all know they are able to convince their cohorts of the problems in your area and are much better able to handle your local problems than your mayor, city council, or even your governor

    Oh, by the way I am sure that your Representatives are concerned about the local conditions and problems in your community. Now he has to sell the other 434 that they are a priority
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    We are talking about a 2.6% increase. That's far less than the Bush budgets or Reagan budgets increased from year to year.

    If he had proposed a huge % increase, something substantially larger than inflation plus population growth, you would have a point.
    I don't give a damn about the percentage increase, it is a massive budget with no wars, no 9/11 expense which should mean this is the time to cut the budget but not Obama who will take credit again when it is rejected and that reduces the deficit.

    Why is it that liberals always talk about percentage increase which of course appeals to the other idiots that are liberals but is always a significant increase in actual budget dollar requirements. The higher the budget the lower the increase but the more actual dollars being spent. brilliant strategy

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Why is it that liberals always talk about percentage increase which of course appeals to the other idiots that are liberals but is always a significant increase in actual budget dollar requirements. The higher the budget the lower the increase but the more actual dollars being spent. brilliant strategy
    I'm far from a card carrying liberal, but probably because percentages matter.

    Assuming that our last budget was about right (and I totally get that you don't think it was, but just humor me for a second), then increasing the next budget by enough to accommodate population growth and inflation is required to keep our budget "about right". Anything more than that represents an unneeded growth of government, which is exactly what happened under Reagan and both Bushes.

    We could just as easily uses a per citizen figure, but that figure would still need to be adjusted for inflation, and inflation is always stated in percentages, so there would still be that "percentage" part of the forumula. There's no way around it.

    Just be thankful that Obama didn't jack up our spending, in terms of percent, nearly as much as Reagan or the Bush family did. Adjusted for inflation and population, it's been pretty much flat, or maybe even slightly reduced.
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