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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    A sizable portion of our school funding comes from the federal government. The federal government still spends money on roads and infrastructure. Regardless of which level of government funds what, we are far better off that countries that never bothered to fund these things, and that funding has helped to build America.
    No, sorry that isn't true at all, it is the state and local communities that fund most of the school funding. What the Federal Govt. funds are federal mandates but have nothing to do with operating expenses or capital projects(I.e. no child left behind)

    As for roads, again, only Federal highway maintenance and bridges are funded by the gasoline and motor fuel taxes so the rhetoric sounds great but is just isn't true. Where are all the excise taxes collected since the tax system was established? Are you telling me that more money has gone out for roads and bridges than collected?

    Stop buying what you are told and use actual Federal Treasury data which by the way shows 78 billion dollars in funding for schools. Any idea how many schools that will help? Find out what your school district budget is? My school district alone is 400 million dollars or 40% of a billion

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    How many times do I have to do this

    Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances

    http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsrep...009/outlay.pdf

    Then it probably is your contention that the 2009 budget was Bush's as well
    I can't explain why the numbers are different. The Heritage article cites the CBO as it's source. Most likely it's a difference between calendar year or fiscal year, or maybe one includes off budget spending and the other does not. Who knows.

    From your source:

    2000 Total outlays ...................... 1,788,140 (in billions)

    2008 Total out............................ 2,978.4 (in billions)


    So that's about $1.2 trillion dollar increase during the 8 Bush years, and $900 billion during the first seven years of the Obama administration (assuming that the 3.9 billion dollar budget proposal holds true). Looks to me that the spending competition between Bush and Obama will be clearly won by Bush without even adjusting for inflation or population growth, or anything else.


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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I can't explain why the numbers are different. The Heritage article cites the CBO as it's source. Most likely it's a difference between calendar year or fiscal year, or maybe one includes off budget spending and the other does not. Who knows.

    2000 Total outlays ...................... 1,788,140

    2008 Total outlays........................................... ..................................... 2,978.4


    So that's about $1.2 trillion dollar increase during the 8 Bush years, and $900 billion during the first seven years of the Obama administration (assuming that the 3.9 billion dollar budget proposal holds true). Looks to me that the spending competition between Bush and Obama will be clearly won by Bush without even adjusting for inflation or population growth, or anything else.


    Actual economic history never supports conservative rhetoric.
    Actual history seems to be foreign to liberals who forgot 9/11 and the resulting wars. Thought that the cry was "We will never forget?"

    Now that those wars are over and 9/11 has been paid for why do we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget and more taxes penalizing the producers?

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Actual history seems to be foreign to liberals who forgot 9/11 and the resulting wars. Thought that the cry was "We will never forget?"

    Now that those wars are over and 9/11 has been paid for why do we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget and more taxes penalizing the producers?
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, let me use your logic...Today's levels of spending are great, and Obama has it right eh?
    I have no clue if Obama has it right or not. I'm not particularly an Obama supporter, didn't vote for him either time, and don't particularly believe that he has been a very effective POTUS.

    What I don't like is partisan hackery.

    The actual historic evidence doesn't support the notion that he is a big spender, especially since his budget increases, from the time he took office through his proposed 3.9 billion dollar budget, have been right at the inflation rate, and less than population growth.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I have no clue if Obama has it right or not. I'm not particularly an Obama supporter, didn't vote for him either time, and don't particularly believe that he has been a very effective POTUS.

    What I don't like is partisan hackery.

    The actual historic evidence doesn't support the notion that he is a big spender, especially since his budget increases, from the time he took office through his proposed 3.9 billion dollar budget, have been right at the inflation rate, and less than population growth.
    Do you think this country has a lot of waste in the budget?
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    No, sorry that isn't true at all, it is the state and local communities that fund most of the school funding. What the Federal Govt. funds are federal mandates but have nothing to do with operating expenses or capital projects(I.e. no child left behind)
    That may be true, but it doesn't negate the fact that the federal government spends money on education. Don't pretend that it doesn't, we all know better.

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    As for roads, again, only Federal highway maintenance and bridges are funded by the gasoline and motor fuel taxes so the rhetoric sounds great but is just isn't true. Where are all the excise taxes collected since the tax system was established? Are you telling me that more money has gone out for roads and bridges than collected? [.quote]

    I have no clue, but regardless of what type of tax funds infrastructure, federal infrastructure spending still exists.

    Stop buying what you are told and use actual Federal Treasury data which by the way shows 78 billion dollars in funding for schools. Any idea how many schools that will help? Find out what your school district budget is? My school district alone is 400 million dollars or 40% of a billion
    What's your point? That the federal government isn't spending much on education? OK, you won and I agree!
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Actual history seems to be foreign to liberals who forgot 9/11 and the resulting wars. Thought that the cry was "We will never forget?"

    Now that those wars are over and 9/11 has been paid for why do we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget and more taxes penalizing the producers?
    You guys can come up with all the excuses you like, it doesn't negate the facts.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Actual history seems to be foreign to liberals who forgot 9/11 and the resulting wars. Thought that the cry was "We will never forget?"

    Now that those wars are over and 9/11 has been paid for why do we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget and more taxes penalizing the producers?
    Where the heck do you get that 9/11 is paid for?

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Funniest post of the year. I didn't know former Mayor Rudy Giuliani was a guest on this board!
    Look, I know that 9/11 actually didn't happen and it was drones that took down the WTC and of course all those Dead Americans really are still walking around the Bermuda Triangle but the issue is this, the U.S. Treasury paid for 9/11, paid for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq with all those expenses in the debt that Obama inherited. there are no wars going on right now, no 9/11 and yet Obama wants to spend 3.9 trillion and liberals here support it. Why do we need a 3.9 trillion dollar budget?

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