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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Exactly when was it that republicans or conservatives stood up for low spending?

    they talk the talk, but NEVER walk the walk.

    And since you are attempting to make the point that republicans aren't conservative, can you point me to any conservative POTUS who has restrained spending? Any?
    Oh please don't look to me to defend Republican's and their spending...They in my eyes are just as damned responsible for this mess that the country is in, as demo's are.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    imagep;1064222927]According to the link, in 2008 (Bush was POTUS for every day of that year), the government spent $3.25 trillion. In 2000, Clinton's last year, the government spent 2.36 trillion. That's nearly a trillion dollar increase. But maybe my source was just making up numbers, because they are so liberal and everything.
    I don't have any idea who your source is but mine is the Treasury Department

    More like $650 billion according to the Heritage foundation, but who's counting. Maybe the Heritage Foundation just makes up numbers.
    Maybe but mine is the Treasury Department. A lot of good valuable information that from the bank account of the United States

    How about Reagan then, was he not a good one either?
    Probably not in the liberal world for he cut taxes, grew income tax revenue over 60% and created 17million private sector jobs. His military spending went from 300 billion to 500 billion and that created a peace dividend for your favorite President, Clinton who wasted it

    Maybe this will explain his spending a little:
    Not really because it is out of context which is what liberals always do, first of all show me the spending proposal in the Reagan stimulus plan. Cannot wait to see that one. What really happened in the Reagan stimulus was ALL TAX CUTS and that led to job creation and millions of new taxpayers giving Congress a lot of money to spend. Reagan spent on destroying the Soviet Union which he did leaving Clinton a peace dividend. The stimulus however put 17 million Americans back to work and had nothing to do with govt. spending



    And my source for that? The Free Market | Mises Institute Another leftist organization.
    Great, now put the article into context especially with the double dip Reagan inherited

    Oh, by the way, ask Tip ONeil how much money the Congress spent over what Reagan wanted. The Reagan stimulus created enough revenue to fund the military expansion but not the addition that Congress wanted and spent

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Oh please don't look to me to defend Republican's and their spending...They in my eyes are just as damned responsible for this mess that the country is in, as demo's are.
    Yea, we would be much better of if we had third world levels of government spending. Damn the burden of having roads, and education, and a world class military.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    I don't have any idea who your source is but mine is the Treasury Department



    Maybe but mine is the Treasury Department. A lot of good valuable information that from the bank account of the United States



    Probably not in the liberal world for he cut taxes, grew income tax revenue over 60% and created 17million private sector jobs. His military spending went from 300 billion to 500 billion and that created a peace dividend for your favorite President, Clinton who wasted it



    Not really because it is out of context which is what liberals always do, first of all show me the spending proposal in the Reagan stimulus plan. Cannot wait to see that one. What really happened in the Reagan stimulus was ALL TAX CUTS and that led to job creation and millions of new taxpayers giving Congress a lot of money to spend. Reagan spent on destroying the Soviet Union which he did leaving Clinton a peace dividend. The stimulus however put 17 million Americans back to work and had nothing to do with govt. spending





    Great, now put the article into context especially with the double dip Reagan inherited

    Oh, by the way, ask Tip ONeil how much money the Congress spent over what Reagan wanted. The Reagan stimulus created enough revenue to fund the military expansion but not the addition that Congress wanted and spent
    Can you link to your treasury department source?

    I find it hard to believe that either Mises or Heritage is just making up numbers. Maybe one of us is misreading the numbers (I find this to be the case often). A lot of times, people will look at the wrong years, thinking that since Obama was elected in 2008, 2008 should be attributed to him, or something like that. It's a perfectly natural mistake.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Yea, we would be much better of if we had third world levels of government spending. Damn the burden of having roads, and education, and a world class military.
    Is this a joke or are you really this poorly informed. The Federal Govt. doesn't fund schools and only supports the highway system through the Federal Excise taxes on gasoline. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Teachers, schools, police, fire fighters, roads are expenses paid for by state and local taxes. Federal taxes fund the Dept. of Education which is a waste of money, and the Interstate highway system which was paid for decades ago. The only thing you got right is the 750 billion dollar military not try again and this time try being honest.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Yea, we would be much better of if we had third world levels of government spending. Damn the burden of having roads, and education, and a world class military.
    Is that all you got Scott? You have to put words in my mouth? Show me were I said any of that?
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Can you link to your treasury department source?

    I find it hard to believe that either Mises or Heritage is just making up numbers. Maybe one of us is misreading the numbers (I find this to be the case often). A lot of times, people will look at the wrong years, thinking that since Obama was elected in 2008, 2008 should be attributed to him, or something like that. It's a perfectly natural mistake.
    How many times do I have to do this

    Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances

    http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsrep...009/outlay.pdf

    Then it probably is your contention that the 2009 budget was Bush's as well

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Is this a joke or are you really this poorly informed. The Federal Govt. doesn't fund schools and only supports the highway system through the Federal Excise taxes on gasoline. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Teachers, schools, police, fire fighters, roads are expenses paid for by state and local taxes. Federal taxes fund the Dept. of Education which is a waste of money, and the Interstate highway system which was paid for decades ago. The only thing you got right is the 750 billion dollar military not try again and this time try being honest.
    A sizable portion of our school funding comes from the federal government. The federal government still spends money on roads and infrastructure. Regardless of which level of government funds what, we are far better off that countries that never bothered to fund these things, and that funding has helped to build America.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Is that all you got Scott? You have to put words in my mouth? Show me were I said any of that?
    Obviously you never said any of that.

    So you admit that it is ridiculous? That's the point, glad you agree.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Obviously you never said any of that.

    So you admit that it is ridiculous? That's the point, glad you agree.
    Ok, let me use your logic...Today's levels of spending are great, and Obama has it right eh?
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