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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why are you dishonestly confusing total tax burden
    If the objective is to determine who pays the most taxes, then the total tax burden is the only relevant statistic. Hello?!

    Incidentally, the top 5% do pay most the largest chunk of capital gains taxes in the country, so I s'pose td now will claim that proves they're picking up most of the burden.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thanks for admitting you have no way of knowing just how much anybody is getting in government services from their tax dollars.
    thanks for engaging in the normal evasive nonsense that your posts are known for. the issue is why should the rich pay more taxes when they already pay far more than what they use even if we cannot calculate use down to the individual level

    only a fool can argue that a group that makes up 50% of the population but pay only 3% or less of the income tax, and none of the death tax are paying their fair share compared to 1% of the population that pays at least 35% of the income tax and all the death taxes



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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am confusing nothing. I am making a philosophical argument that the current system is designed to pander to the many which is what the pimps in office want

    and those who get more than they pay want to justify making others subsidize their goodies and pretend its fair
    Yes you are confusing these two things and you have done so for a very long time now when these discussions come around every few months.

    We have been through this over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread. Remember your infamous NET TAXPAYER Turtle? Remember how you were unable to quantify just what constituted one with any formula that could be applied to real people?

    This is merely a continuation of that same old same old.

    btw- your argument is NOT PHILOSOPHICAL. It is now and has always been a strictly personal one of finances pure and simple devoid from any so called philosophy or principle.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    If the objective is to determine who pays the most taxes, then the total tax burden is the only relevant statistic. Hello?!

    Incidentally, the top 5% do pay most the largest chunk of capital gains taxes in the country, so I s'pose td now will claim that proves they're picking up most of the burden.
    and the top one percent should be paying ONE Percent of the total tax burden if fairness was the point

    and one of my favorite specious left wing arguments is that progressive taxes should be MORE progressive to balance other taxes that were never intended to be progressive



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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    thanks for engaging in the normal evasive nonsense that your posts are known for. the issue is why should the rich pay more taxes when they already pay far more than what they use even if we cannot calculate use down to the individual level

    only a fool can argue that a group that makes up 50% of the population but pay only 3% or less of the income tax, and none of the death tax are paying their fair share compared to 1% of the population that pays at least 35% of the income tax and all the death taxes
    1- there are no such thing as death taxes.
    2- there is no relationship between taxes paid and services used so drop that phony line at once or take it back into the barn with the other strawmen.
    3- until you can calculate such things - it is intellectual fraud to hide behind them since they are unproven and unquantifiable.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    funny that you bolded about 30% of my claim and ignored the rest. Why would that be?
    Even the longest journey begins with a single step. I note that you still do not even attempt to back up your bold assertions - perhaps I should have ignored them all.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thanks for admitting you have no way of knowing just how much anybody is getting in government services from their tax dollars.
    But I'm sure you believe the poor aren't getting enough of whatever that figure is.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    1- there are no such thing as death taxes.
    2- there is no relationship between taxes paid and services used so drop that phony line at once or take it back into the barn with the other strawmen.
    3- until you can calculate such things - it is intellectual fraud to hide behind them since they are unproven and unquantifiable.
    No such thing as death taxes? Why a client of my wife just wrote a check for $1.5 million to the IRS for taxes caused by the death of her father. That tax was not due until the father made the mistake of dying. So it's certainly not a living tax.

    Living = No taxes owned

    Stop Living, as in Death = Taxes owed.

    Yep, Death Tax.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    But I'm sure you believe the poor aren't getting enough of whatever that figure is.
    I have no idea what you mean.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No such thing as death taxes? Why a client of my wife just wrote a check for $1.5 million to the IRS for taxes caused by the death of her father. That tax was not due until the father made the mistake of dying. So it's certainly not a living tax.

    Living = No taxes owned

    Stop Living, as in Death = Taxes owed.

    Yep, Death Tax.
    There is no tax paying for the death of anyone. Please do not engage in that sort of gross dishonesty.
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