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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    And YOU KNOW DAMN WELL

    1) income taxes are not the only thing that funds federal spending


    2)- more importantly, I am not talking about blocs of people. YOU said YOU don't get what you pay for.
    I asked for your estimate of the services you use and their $ value. WHY won't YOU answer?
    so is it your learned opinion that the bottom 50% pay more than 50% of all the federal taxes that provide for federal services?



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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    And YOU KNOW DAMN WELL

    1) income taxes are not the only thing that funds federal spending


    2)- more importantly, I am not talking about blocs of people. YOU said YOU don't get what you pay for.
    I asked for your estimate of the services you use and their $ value. WHY won't YOU answer?

    Uh I sure don't get 400K worth of federal service



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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so is it your learned opinion that the bottom 50% pay more than 50% of all the federal taxes that provide for federal services?
    nope, never said that.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Uh I sure don't get 400K worth of federal service
    easy to say. apparently difficult to prove

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    A tax increase on the "wealthy" does not benefit the middle class. For one thing, what is the criteria for classifying one as wealthy? There are many people classed as middle class, who dabble in the stock market. Take for instance, mutual funds. Mutual funds are always dynamic. The brokers managing these funds are always selling and buying new stocks and bonds within these mutual funds. At tax time, owners of these mutual funds will be faced with capital gains distributions that they didn't even realize, especially if they re-invest their earnings. So if the long term capital gains taxes go up from 15% to even higher, that hurts these same middle class earners. Obama's plan is flawed, but he is aiming this plan against those of us, who actually work for a living and enjoy owning stocks, bonds, equities, municipal bonds, reits, you name it, we rank and file people are getting the shaft both ways, not only from owning the stocks and as consumers of a product. Taxing the business owners only makes the businesses pass down higher taxes to us the consumers.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Yea, but to guys like you, people like Jeb Bush are on the extreme left.
    That's what I love about guys like you. You figure just sayin' stuff is all that's necessary to make it so.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Says the Constitution, Read it
    Where does the government get that money Mr. More Patriotic Than Thou? Oh, that's right, they pay it from the stash at Fort Knox.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    ...
    2)- more importantly, I am not talking about blocs of people. YOU said YOU don't get what you pay for.
    I asked for your estimate of the services you use and their $ value. WHY won't YOU answer?
    That's really an unfair question.

    You shouldn't expect him to know how much it would cost to fund his on private military just off the top of his head. Have you shopped for aircraft carriers recently?
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    ...I'm not interested in debating someone who is trolling for an argument....
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's what I love about guys like you. You figure just sayin' stuff is all that's necessary to make it so.
    says the guy who just a few pages ago claimed Obama's approval is the worst it can be.

    LMAO

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    easy to say. apparently difficult to prove
    some things are so ludicrous that there is no need for further proof

    there is no rational argument that the top 1% use more of the federal services than they pay for. Indeed, the top 1% pay many hundreds of dollars for what they get compared to the bottom 50% who generally are getting federal services for free

    so when Pimps like Obama and his fluffers say that the rich don't pay their fair share-they are objectively lying



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