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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    The only taxes that should be raised are gas taxes, as the sharp decrease in oil and gas prices means drivers can afford an extra 25 cents per gallon to fix highways, bridges, and tunnels.
    I don't totally disagree, but that tax burden does tend to fall on the poor and middle class a little harder than on the wealthy.

    I would though, support a higher gas tax, if it was offset or at least partially offset with the bottom three income tax brackets having a substantial rate decrease. This should actually be acceptable to most everyone. Those on the far right should like it because it would still increase taxes on the 47% that they despise so much and refer to as "tax slackers", it should appease the tree hugers (who coincidentially also happen to mostly be on the far left) for obvious reasons, and it should be appealing to the solidly middle class and upper middle class.

    Politicallly, it would seem to be a win-win-win proposition, but nearly everyone has this kneedjerk reaction to it. I think it's mostly because the price of gas is in our face every day. No product is more price competitive than gas, which is evidenced by the fact that every gas station has a huge $100,000 sign advertising gas prices.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    2 months off but close enough. . . . . . .


    Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton
    Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton | WashingtonExaminer.com

    Angry and frustrated voters are planning to use the midterm elections in one month to tell President Obama they oppose his agenda, the highest “no” vote percentage Gallup has measured in the past 16 years.

    The polling outfit found that 32 percent of voters want to send a message of opposition with their vote, compared to just 20 percent who are sending a signal of support.

    That is 13 points higher than in 1998 when former President Clinton was headed to impeachment for lying about his sex affair with a former White House intern and even a smidge higher — 2 points — than in 2008, when Americans were tired of President Bush’s military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Isn't it interesting how partisan hack authors can spin the same poll in any direction that they wish?
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Funny, we think that about you guys.
    You sure have a real mastery of the "nuh uh, you are", strategy of political debate. Awesome!
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Isn't it interesting how partisan hack authors can spin the same poll in any direction that they wish?
    As the saying goes, the only poll that really counts is the election. We took Congress. We won.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    In 1965 a new car cost around $2500. In 2015 it costs around $20000

    Inflation, ever heard of it? People who attended school past the 4th grade usually analyze these things in either constant year $s, or in % of gdp. Maybe you can try as well.





    Now with that said, do you also like making #'s up?
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    I certainly have but can you please explain with 50 states, and thousands of local communities why do we need the govt. to spend 20% of GDP most of it on social programs and debt service? Do you have any idea what your various taxes were created to fund?

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Eliminate the department of transportation and I am running surpluses. What exactly are you willing to eliminate and how would you pay for the difference?
    Wrong, the department of Transportation is much less than 200 billion dollars

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Well, I agree for the most part with the exception of not seeing people of principle having a backbone as extreme. (I say this for both sides)

    I think it is a mistake also to look at the middle as a compromise between the two "extremes" as you put it rather than a position of its own, fighting its own battle and unfortunately winning. It's called the state quo.
    I guess the reason that the status quo is the status quo is because we made it like it is because we desire it to be like it is. Status quo isn't necessarily a bad thing, at least when it's a good thing.

    Sometimes I get accused of being a class warrior, but that really befuddles me because I'm not a radical at all. Our income distribution system isn't terribly out of whack with the system we have (mostly because we DO have a progressive income tax system), and all I desire to do is to fine tune it to the point that all income classes grow in income at more or less the same rate, like they did in the "good ole days".
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The left seem to have a lot of extremists. Just sayin'.
    Yea, but to guys like you, people like Jeb Bush are on the extreme left.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If we want to start paying down debt without re-crashing the economy, we need a balanced approach of tax increases and spending cuts across the board. Avoid hitting any one area too hard.
    Yup, but no one really wants to start paying down the debt. There is no need.
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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I guess the reason that the status quo is the status quo is because we made it like it is because we desire it to be like it is. Status quo isn't necessarily a bad thing, at least when it's a good thing.

    Sometimes I get accused of being a class warrior, but that really befuddles me because I'm not a radical at all. Our income distribution system isn't terribly out of whack with the system we have (mostly because we DO have a progressive income tax system), and all I desire to do is to fine tune it to the point that all income classes grow in income at more or less the same rate, like they did in the "good ole days".
    instead of this political nonsense, reform the tax code so everyone gets what they want.

    republicans can get their lower rates and dem's can get their special tax cuts and breaks for lower income people.
    everyone should be happy.

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