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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So what? Still waiting for an answer, how has any rich person prevented you from joining them? There is plenty of room at the top, but the govt. isn't going to get you there.
    Good post. Those who complain about the super rich are almost always those who have not exhibited the single-minded drive to become super-rich themselves. They are usually people with mediocre grades, who don't try to excel, maybe even smoke a doobie every now and then, and then snivel when purpose-driven success-oriented people get rich. Its sheer envy and sniveling.

    Then idiots like Obama come along and want to punish such single-minded, driven, success-oriented people so he can give free phones to bums and buy the votes of the lazy and the mediocre. It is decidedly UN-American

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Since we have a labor force of 157 million with 147 million working how many of them are hiding their profits overseas? You seem to think like govt. bureaucrats that businesses are charities. They aren't and are in business to make a profit which is used to hire and pay employees and as in large corporations pay their shareholders many of whom are seniors. Thank God for investment income and those profits or more and more seniors would be living totally on SS
    Apple shields most of its profits overseas, and therefore it is not taxed in the US the first time, let alone twice. If we are not taxing it at the corporate level, then we need to be taxing it at the stockholder level. My preference would be to reign in corporate largesse and tax them more heavily and not tax cap gains at all, but since the both parties are bought and paid for by the corporations, one of which having convinced many of its poor voters that it is in their best interest that rich people pay no taxes, it will never happen.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Thanks for the advice PB. I'm actually not too worked up over it, for the reasons you stated.

    However, the checks we have to balance against these outrageous proposals are but for a brief period of time, and the class envy sabre will be swinging at blurring speeds over the next two years as posturing takes place in preparation for the next Presidential/Congressional election cycle. Knowing they don't stand a chance now shouldn't lull anyone into thinking they aren't going to be scoring points with people who buy into their bogus message. As such, I think it imperative to use these bogus proposals to expose the messengers for who and what they are.
    The good fight must be fought. I just don't think there's any question that the timing of these "proposals" has everything to do with the fact that his approval numbers absolutely suck. He's begging to regain the love that he lost from his pinko base. He's just trying to reignite the romance with the freestuffers that once thought of him as "The Messiah".
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Then idiots like Obama come along and want to punish such single-minded, driven, success-oriented people so he can give free phones to bums and buy the votes of the lazy and the mediocre. It is decidedly UN-American
    You spelled Reagan wrong

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Okay. You got me on a technicality. Yes, "discussion" of tax policy is not harmful to our economy. But why even discuss raising taxes when its a bad thing to do and when it would never pass Congress? What is Obama's purpose other than to deflect from real issues at hand.
    I dunno about Obama's madness. I'm not an Obama supporter.

    I totally disagree. Obamacare is a job killer, and that is bad for everyone.
    Yet job growth seemed to be picking up, the closer we got to the employer mandate. Now the mandate is effective, and I'm not exactly seeing the economic devastation that so many far right political talking heads were predicting. Economic realty doesn't seem to support the far right rhetoric (as usual, no surprises to me).

    I really don't understand why anyone honestly thought it was a jobs killer when 98% of all companies that were required to offer insurance already did. I do totally get why people like to believe that though, as it's the only argument conservatives seem to be able to muster against this conservative idea.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Obamacare supporter any more than I am an Obama supporter, I actually had a one on one private meeting with my congressman to opposed Obamacare and to suggest better alternatives. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to bash Obamacare, but it being a "jobs killer" isn't one of them.
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    ...I'm not interested in debating someone who is trolling for an argument....
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Apple shields most of its profits overseas, and therefore it is not taxed in the US the first time, let alone twice. If we are not taxing it at the corporate level, then we need to be taxing it at the stockholder level. My preference would be to reign in corporate largesse and tax them more heavily and not tax cap gains at all, but since the both parties are bought and paid for by the corporations, one of which having convinced many of its poor voters that it is in their best interest that rich people pay no taxes, it will never happen.
    There you go again worried about how much Apple Pays in taxes, why? You don't think the govt. has enough tax revenue for what it truly needs? Why do we need a 3.9 trillion dollar Federal Govt?

    Why is it people like you never address spending and always focus on taking money from those who earn it? How did some rich person or company prevent you from joining them?

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The good fight must be fought. I just don't think there's any question that the timing of these "proposals" has everything to do with the fact that his approval numbers absolutely suck. He's begging to regain the love that he lost from his pinko base. He's just trying to reignite the romance with the freestuffers that once thought of him as "The Messiah".
    Careful, I don't think you're aware of the context of his approval #'s at this point of his presidency.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There you go again worried about how much Apple Pays in taxes, why? You don't think the govt. has enough tax revenue for what it truly needs? Why do we need a 3.9 trillion dollar Federal Govt?

    Why is it people like you never address spending and always focus on taking money from those who earn it? How did some rich person or company prevent you from joining them?
    I would be more than happy to cut our military in half, but that is not the issue of the thread, taxes are. Put a flat corporate tax in place sufficient to cover the government budgetary needs, and eliminate the personal tax system altogether, including the EIT, for all I care. I am more than capable of becoming significantly wealthier than I am. My bills get paid and will realistically always be paid on my current trajectory. I just prefer the free time over the money. I am bohemian like that.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

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    Careful, I don't think you're aware of the context of his approval #'s at this point of his presidency.
    I'm aware that the democratic party's 2016 chances hinge heavily on just how popular or unpopular Obama is.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

    What his approval numbers prove is that Gruber was absolutely correct in his assessment of the American electorate. It really is a shame at how ignorant most of the Obama supporters are and how dependent they have become on the taxpayers to basically exist. Liberalism is a disease that has infected far too many and they really need help. Taking from someone else and redistributing it takes away incentive on both ends and does nothing but grow bureaucracies

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