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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Politics trumps ideology every time.
    True to a certain degree....but this time the law is on the right side. Even the staunchest of anti-gay marriage advocates recognize that they have a difficult argument trying to explain a legitimate governmental interest in denying gays to marry. This is why they have reverted back to their procreation argument which is not a very strong one....but it is all they really have.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nah....6-3 for a number of reasons....two of which are these:

    Kennedy has been a strong advocate for the expansion of the recognition of gay rights. He is soon to retire and will not want to tarnish his record.

    And Roberts....is very protective of his legacy. He will not want to be remembered as being on the wrong side of history. The only hold-outs with me the unholy trinty of Scalia, Thomas and Alito. I guarantee this one. The writing is on the wall.
    Even Scalia knows he's going to lose; thus his comments over the last couple years about how every related decision was moving us closer to SSM.

    Would be nice to get a 9-0 decision for SSM though. Ok, in my dreams!

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Even Scalia knows he's going to lose; thus his comments over the last couple years about how every related decision was moving us closer to SSM.

    Would be nice to get a 9-0 decision for SSM though. Ok, in my dreams!
    You are absolutely correct. 9-0 would be nice but with the unholy trinity.....that is never going to happen. It will however be a strong 6-3. Roberts cares too much about his legacy.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Everyone has answered you appropriately. Same sex marriage is widely accepted; however, in states like Texas, it isn't. How long should gay/lesbian couples who live in Texas have to wait to get their constitutional rights by ballot?
    Your implied perspective is that the majority of Americans favor the oxymoronic SSM.

    They don't -- that's a fact.

    Check the facts here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062823882.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Your implied perspective is that the majority of Americans favor the oxymoronic SSM.

    They don't -- that's a fact.

    Check the facts here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062823882.
    You might want to recheck those polls. A lot has changed since 2012.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's a bit more complicated than that. While some states banned SSM with a mere bill, others have a constitutional amendment. This is less about SSM and more about the conditions in which the Fed can audit a state's very constitution.
    If a state constitution conflicts with the US constitution, it gets overturned. Ruling that same-sex marriage bans are unconstitutional under the 14th amendment means any state constitution banning same-sex marriage will be overturned.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Your implied perspective is that the majority of Americans favor the oxymoronic SSM.

    They don't -- that's a fact.

    Check the facts here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062823882.
    You failed to address the underlying point:

    It doesn't matter how many people support it. If a same-sex marriage ban is unconstitutional, opinion polls are irrelevant.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    SOmething important to understand about this: SCOTUS is going to look at 2 issues, based on their scheduling of it. Court will rule on same-sex marriage : SCOTUSblog



    The court has scheduled 90 minutes for the first part, and one hour for the second. This is important since it leaves open a compromise possibility, of saying that states have to recognize marriages from another state, but that they do not have to allow people in their state to get married if they are the same sex. It would still be a victory for SSM, but not as large a victory.
    This would be the most pointless thing ever and for what, so the states can claim independence, even though anyone can drive 100 miles out of state to get a SSM and force the state they live in to honor it? Talk about a phony compromise. I get that bigots are dense but who within a year would still believe this is not a total victory?

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The government most certainly has the authority to restrict a legal contract on the basis of failure to quality for the contractual terms.
    Except that in this case there are none. The qualifying factors are being of age and acting on free will.

    If the very contract is defined as "a man and a woman as husband and wife"
    Provide the evidence that it is so from a legal perspective.

    There is no constitutional right to marry.
    This is the same stupid argument used by those ignorant of what constitutional rights are or how they work. I bet that you would be up in arms if your state decided that you required a special pass or permission to travel anywhere, because traveling is not a constitutional right either is we are to follow your failed logic.

    Thus the SCOTUS simply isn't going to Roe-v-Wade "legislate"
    More ignorant talking points, as SCOTUS has not "legislated" anything in Row but protected rights.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    talk about childish.

    You made the claim that the court was waiting for it to be widely accepted.
    I showed that it wasn't widely accepted at all. the only reason it is accepted is that courts have overturned what was the widely accepted decision by the state.

    I then said if it was widely accepted then put it on the ballot to allow it.

    you refuse. which means you don't think it will pass or that it is widely accepted. if you did then you should have no problem putting it to a vote.
    you can't even support your own assertion. when challenged you take your bat and ball and go home.
    that is childish.
    If you actually understood the real issue you would not be insisting to your meaningless test. By that failed line of thinking we should also subject a whole host of issues to popular vote and as a result see our rights evaporate. Interracial marriage was not popular either yet no one gives it a second thoughts today, well other than remaining bigots and some will always exist. Fact is that at times mob rule is not what is best for society, history more than amply documents that, but freedom is always good.

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