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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    then put it to a vote.
    No. The majority has no place telling a minority who they can/can't establish a legal kinship with based on relative sexes. That violates the Constitution making the proper place to settle it in Court.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Court is basing it off of current polls about this issue, not past votes, which would not account for many changing factors, most of which favor same sex marriage. No one said the SCOTUS was basing it off of just one thing. Heck likely they are taking into account the reactions, or lack of, of those within states that did have their bans struck down by courts, which would show them what kind of reaction a decision they made to strike down the bans would bring.
    polls are meaningless. small sample sizes and possible introduction of polling bias. I take most polls with a grain of salt and let the results speak for themselves.
    that is why I said if there is so much support then putting it on the ballot and letting the people change the law like they did before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. The majority has no place telling a minority who they can/can't establish a legal kinship with based on relative sexes. That violates the Constitution making the proper place to settle it in Court.
    so like Disney you don't believe that it is widely accepted thanks for backing me up on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    I'm not sure how that would work since we have cars, a couple can drive from Ohio to Pennsylvania, get Civilly Married in PA, then drive back home and Ohio has to recognize the Civil Marriage. But yet if they are in Ohio, Ohio doesn't have to issue them a Civil Marriage license that they will recognize from another state?

    They would clearly be setting up a case of unequal treatment under the law for a different-sex couple not to have to go out of state yet to get the same treatment by the government a same-sex couple must travel and return.


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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    polls are meaningless. small sample sizes and possible introduction of polling bias. I take most polls with a grain of salt and let the results speak for themselves.
    that is why I said if there is so much support then putting it on the ballot and letting the people change the law like they did before.
    Only someone in major denial would claim polls are meaningless. While not completely accurate, they can easily show trends especially in things like this. Those trends would be what the SCOTUS is looking at and it is obvious that the trend is toward greater acceptance of same sex marriage. This was proven by the state votes that were taken within the last eight years on this issue. Even in the one where a ban was put in place, the support for the ban was much lower than in many other places that had their votes years before and the vote was taken during a primary season when only republicans were having one. It was a significantly lower turnout than any other vote on bans had.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    so like Disney you don't believe that it is widely accepted thanks for backing me up on that.
    I think across the US, especially in those places where it has been legalized, it is widely accepted. The problem is that this country is not equally distributed in its political/issues supporters/opposers. Some areas have many more ingrained prejudices and fears of change than others, which is evident by the laws regarding segregation and interracial marriage of the past. Those citizens in those states though should not have to wait until the majority of other citizens in their particular state come around to receive equal protection of the laws, a right guaranteed by the US Constitution. Challenging laws that violate rights is one the main reasons we have the SCOTUS.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Only someone in major denial would claim polls are meaningless. While not completely accurate, they can easily show trends especially in things like this. Those trends would be what the SCOTUS is looking at and it is obvious that the trend is toward greater acceptance of same sex marriage. This was proven by the state votes that were taken within the last eight years on this issue. Even in the one where a ban was put in place, the support for the ban was much lower than in many other places that had their votes years before and the vote was taken during a primary season when only republicans were having one. It was a significantly lower turnout than any other vote on bans had.
    nope no denial at all. however I object when someone does a poll of 1000 people in a state that has a few million and they say those 1000 people represent all 1m people.
    kinda ludicrous if you ask me. so there is no denial there.

    then the SCOTUS is a bunch of morons if they think that 1000 people represent a few million and they shouldn't be serving as justices.

    then as I said if you think you are right then put it for a vote pretty simple if you ask me. if there is this wide acceptance as you say then you should have no problem with this at all.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I think across the US, especially in those places where it has been legalized, it is widely accepted. The problem is that this country is not equally distributed in its political/issues supporters/opposers. Some areas have many more ingrained prejudices and fears of change than others, which is evident by the laws regarding segregation and interracial marriage of the past. Those citizens in those states though should not have to wait until the majority of other citizens in their particular state come around to receive equal protection of the laws, a right guaranteed by the US Constitution. Challenging laws that violate rights is one the main reasons we have the SCOTUS.
    again if you think it is widely accepted then put it up to a vote and let the people decide.
    the only reason that you would bulk is that you don't think it is widely accepted as you think it is or claim.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I showed that it wasn't widely accepted at all.
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    LOL.....you showed nothing. All you did was attempt to engage in "My dad can beat your dad up" games. I don't have the time or patience for that kind of juvenile activity. Constitutional rights should never be put to a popular vote. Take a look at the polling all around the country. It says exactly the opposite of the childish games you want to play.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    nope no denial at all. however I object when someone does a poll of 1000 people in a state that has a few million and they say those 1000 people represent all 1m people.
    kinda ludicrous if you ask me. so there is no denial there.

    then the SCOTUS is a bunch of morons if they think that 1000 people represent a few million and they shouldn't be serving as justices.

    then as I said if you think you are right then put it for a vote pretty simple if you ask me. if there is this wide acceptance as you say then you should have no problem with this at all.
    It has never been just a single poll. Also this just shows you really don't understand polling. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't accurate. The fact that many polls, which account for tens of thousands of people have shown this trend strongly supports the polls as whole.

    Plus, as I've said they are looking at more than just those polls, including the reactions of the people, which have been pretty mild to basically nothing overall. No violence, very few actual protests, and even when those protests happened, they were each smaller or less significant than the last.
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