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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    so you are saying that you still can't say that it is widely accepted then which is what you made the claim for.
    Gay marriage is now supported by a wide majority of the population. It still doesn't mean that it should ever have to be put to a popular vote. You obviously do not understand the purpose of the US Constitution.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Gay marriage is now supported by a wide majority of the population. It still doesn't mean that it should ever have to be put to a popular vote. You obviously do not understand the purpose of the US Constitution.
    so put it up for a vote.
    ol I understand it perfectly.

    you made that claim that it is widely accepted yet you refuse to test that in a real test. why?
    you obviously do not feel that strongly about it then.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    so put it up for a vote.
    ol I understand it perfectly.

    you made that claim that it is widely accepted yet you refuse to test that in a real test. why?
    you obviously do not feel that strongly about it then.

    Sorry....I'm not going to engage in your juvenile games. Pick up a book and learn something before you attempt to engage in an intelligent conversation. Buh-bye.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The court has scheduled 90 minutes for the first part, and one hour for the second. This is important since it leaves open a compromise possibility, of saying that states have to recognize marriages from another state, but that they do not have to allow people in their state to get married if they are the same sex. It would still be a victory for SSM, but not as large a victory.
    I would be very surprised if this happened. There's a lot of precedent to protect SSM and no good argument to distinguish the protection of SSM from the protection of interracial marriage. Meanwhile, there is precedent to keep states from recognizing each other's actions, sometimes. So, if there is a halfway result, it'll be the other way around. But that'll effectively mean they just ruled to protect nationwide SSM.

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    It appears time and again that the SCOTUS splits along political lines. When splits should be along legal interpretation of the case. Am I off the mark here?
    It's always been political. Why would you expect part of the political organization of this country not to be political? Everything to do with law is political. Where do you think laws come from? However, there's not much politics left do when it comes to same sex rights. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if it's a 9-0 decision. Pretty much the only dissent left is personal religious objection, and even a loon like Scalia (who has stated that he thinks the devil is real) would see that this sort of argument isn't going to fly. He's going to want to be on the right side of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    so put it up for a vote.
    ol I understand it perfectly.

    you made that claim that it is widely accepted yet you refuse to test that in a real test. why?
    you obviously do not feel that strongly about it then.
    The vote was done a long time ago. It was done when the 14th amendment was ratified.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Note the legal questions the Supreme Court set forth. They didn't ask whether marriage is a Constitutional right. SCOTUS decided that question decades ago so stop pretending it hasn't.
    No, the SCOTUS did not decide that "decades ago".

    There simply is no constitutional right to marry in violation of marriage's fundamental terms of between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    If you're implying civil rights movements and color of skin, race, etc., that's not the implication of a constitutional right to marry.

    Eliminating discrimination on account of race and color in no way violated what marriage is: between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    And with respect to gender, there currently is no ERA amendment in the constitution, nor is there any gender discrimination in marriage: a male and a female are both allowed to participate.


    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    These cases have nothing to do with religious organizations.
    You're missing one of the obvious SCOTUS concerns.

    The SCOTUS can't be doing a judicial activist thing on this issue and in any way explicitly/implicitly make marriage between any two people a constitutional right.

    If they do so, they'll be in conflict with the majority of Americans .. including some religious institutions.

    If then these religious institutions then refuse to marry two people of the same sex, thus making the religious institution itself in violation of federal "law", that would mean that the government could step in and force that church to marry those same-sex people.

    The SCOTUS is quite aware of the ramifications of such an erroneous judicial activist mistake.

    They'll never go in that direction.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Think of it like another license, the drivers license. You can absolutely go to another state and if you meet their requirements get a drivers license that all states will recognize. Then just go back. This is already in place and widely accepted. For SSM it would be largely the same. The states decide who they will marry and under what conditions, but once you meet those conditions and get your marriage license, the other states are required to honor that contract. The potential is there, and yes it would cause some real problems especially at first, but it is entirely possible. I would not say it is the most likely outcome, but it could very well happen.
    Except a marriage license is much more akin to a birth certificate than a drivers license, particularly after it is signed.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    the question is that it wasn't accepted across the nation in fact most states defined marriage between 1 man and 1 women.
    so please tell me how that is being accepted across the nation?

    it wasn't accepted across the nation the courts struck them down. if it was accepted across the nation when did the vote happen?
    It wasn't acceptable to larger percentages of voters about a decade ago for most states. Now the majority of the overall population of the US plus majority of voters in many states support same sex couples getting married and oppose the bans. However the legislative process takes much longer to achieve in these situations than using the court system, which is a very valid method of getting rid of laws that violate peoples rights. The livings could have waited too for the vote to favor their relationship type, since it appeared to be heading in that direction. But not being able to get married affects people in the hear and now. There is no evidence that not being able to restrict marriage to just opposite sex couples affects anyone's life measurably at all, let alone in a way that requires them to take time to change opinion.

    And national polls, while not perfect, do give us a pretty good view of how the majority feel about a particular issue. Denying this is living in a fantasy.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....I'm not going to engage in your juvenile games. Pick up a book and learn something before you attempt to engage in an intelligent conversation. Buh-bye.
    talk about childish.

    You made the claim that the court was waiting for it to be widely accepted.
    I showed that it wasn't widely accepted at all. the only reason it is accepted is that courts have overturned what was the widely accepted decision by the state.

    I then said if it was widely accepted then put it on the ballot to allow it.

    you refuse. which means you don't think it will pass or that it is widely accepted. if you did then you should have no problem putting it to a vote.
    you can't even support your own assertion. when challenged you take your bat and ball and go home.
    that is childish.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It wasn't acceptable to larger percentages of voters about a decade ago for most states. Now the majority of the overall population of the US plus majority of voters in many states support same sex couples getting married and oppose the bans. However the legislative process takes much longer to achieve in these situations than using the court system, which is a very valid method of getting rid of laws that violate peoples rights. The livings could have waited too for the vote to favor their relationship type, since it appeared to be heading in that direction. But not being able to get married affects people in the hear and now. There is no evidence that not being able to restrict marriage to just opposite sex couples affects anyone's life measurably at all, let alone in a way that requires them to take time to change opinion.

    And national polls, while not perfect, do give us a pretty good view of how the majority feel about a particular issue. Denying this is living in a fantasy.
    then put it to a vote.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    talk about childish.

    You made the claim that the court was waiting for it to be widely accepted.
    I showed that it wasn't widely accepted at all. the only reason it is accepted is that courts have overturned what was the widely accepted decision by the state.

    I then said if it was widely accepted then put it on the ballot to allow it.

    you refuse. which means you don't think it will pass or that it is widely accepted. if you did then you should have no problem putting it to a vote.
    you can't even support your own assertion. when challenged you take your bat and ball and go home.
    that is childish.
    The Court is basing it off of current polls about this issue, not past votes, which would not account for many changing factors, most of which favor same sex marriage. No one said the SCOTUS was basing it off of just one thing. Heck likely they are taking into account the reactions, or lack of, of those within states that did have their bans struck down by courts, which would show them what kind of reaction a decision they made to strike down the bans would bring.
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