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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    the question is that it wasn't accepted across the nation in fact most states defined marriage between 1 man and 1 women.
    so please tell me how that is being accepted across the nation?

    it wasn't accepted across the nation the courts struck them down. if it was accepted across the nation when did the vote happen?
    Opinions have been changing exponentially across the country for the last five years
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    SOmething important to understand about this: SCOTUS is going to look at 2 issues, based on their scheduling of it. Court will rule on same-sex marriage : SCOTUSblog

    The court has scheduled 90 minutes for the first part, and one hour for the second. This is important since it leaves open a compromise possibility, of saying that states have to recognize marriages from another state, but that they do not have to allow people in their state to get married if they are the same sex. It would still be a victory for SSM, but not as large a victory.
    That was my first thought as well, as soon as I saw this. I wonder if they decided to wait until they had some kind of opportunity to do something like that?

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Opinions have been changing exponentially across the country for the last five years
    Well then SSM advocates shouldn't have any problem following the proper way to get reform done in this country and going through the Legislative process state by state, should they?

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Opinions have been changing exponentially across the country for the last five years
    then put it back on the ballot.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well then SSM advocates shouldn't have any problem following the proper way to get reform done in this country and going through the Legislative process state by state, should they?
    LOL....the "proper way" as if the legislative process is the only way? Get real. Study your civics if you want to intelligently participate in a debate.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That was my first thought as well, as soon as I saw this. I wonder if they decided to wait until they had some kind of opportunity to do something like that?
    The fact that they consolidate all of these cases even though not all of them ask both questions suggests to me that this will not be a decision of compromises. They're fishing and I think they're doing it because if same-sex marriage is protected by the 14th Amendment then these bans are going to be fodder for strict scrutiny.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    then put it back on the ballot.
    If you knew anything about the Constitution, you would know that certain things do not need to be put to a popular vote, nor should they.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Same argument over and over.

    The government does not have the constitutional authority to make this distinction of gender in a private contract. Your semantic argument lacks any actual substance, gender is a protected classification and thus any distinction of gender is subject to intermediate constitutional scrutiny.

    "Definitive propriety" is a nonsensical concept. It implies that definitions of words are immutable, which is obviously false.

    The simplest way to put this:
    This isn't about "defining marriage." This is about whether or not the United States government has the authority to restrict a legal contract on the basis of gender.

    The answer is clearly "no."
    As always, the same old same old missing the foundational point is what you succumb to.

    The government most certainly has the authority to restrict a legal contract on the basis of failure to quality for the contractual terms.

    If the very contract is defined as "a man and a woman as husband and wife", then, absolutely, the government can verify to see if the contract terms are fulfilled before awarding it .. and disallow awarding the contract to two people of the same sex.

    Marriage means "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", always has, always will, no matter what teeny, tiny pocketed erroneously based anomalies may occur from time to time.

    The marriage contract requires two people, and, of opposite sex, and, to be husband and wife.

    That's what marriage is; anything else isn't marriage.

    The SCOTUS, sadly, will be deciding on who, the people of a state or the federal government, gets the opportunity to "redefine" marriage.

    There is no constitutional right to marry.

    Thus the SCOTUS simply isn't going to Roe-v-Wade "legislate" one a la "right to privacy" .. and thus put religious organizations in a position to conflict with a U.S. government regulation. Not a chance.

    The likely outcome will be that it's back to the states to decide .. not a great decision .. but the lesser of the two evils.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    There is no constitutional right to marry.
    Note the legal questions the Supreme Court set forth. They didn't ask whether marriage is a Constitutional right. SCOTUS decided that question decades ago so stop pretending it hasn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Thus the SCOTUS simply isn't going to Roe-v-Wade "legislate" one a la "right to privacy" .. and thus put religious organizations in a position to conflict with a U.S. government regulation. Not a chance.
    These cases have nothing to do with religious organizations.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you knew anything about the Constitution, you would know that certain things do not need to be put to a popular vote, nor should they.
    so you are saying that you still can't say that it is widely accepted then which is what you made the claim for.

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