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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They accepted the case now because they have a circuit split which needs to be resolved.
    It appears time and again that the SCOTUS splits along political lines. When splits should be along legal interpretation of the case. Am I off the mark here?
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

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    It appears time and again that the SCOTUS splits along political lines. When splits should be along legal interpretation of the case. Am I off the mark here?
    Ideology does influence decisions, yes, but short of building a sentient robot judge there's not a way around that.
    Historically, the Supreme Court has often been hesitant to jump too far out ahead of public opinion.

    In this case, we don't know which justices voted to grant certiori. It could have been unanimous, not politically-driven.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ideology does influence decisions, yes, but short of building a sentient robot judge there's not a way around that.
    Historically, the Supreme Court has often been hesitant to jump too far out ahead of public opinion.

    In this case, we don't know which justices voted to grant certiori. It could have been unanimous, not politically-driven.
    Up here we have Conservative Judges voting against conservative agenda's.
    Same with Liberal judges.
    The law is the guiding force. Not political leanings or personal beliefs.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Up here we have Conservative Judges voting against conservative agenda's.
    Same with Liberal judges.
    The law is the guiding force. Not political leanings or personal beliefs.
    Correct. But personal bias is never completely eliminated.

    See: Antonin Scalia
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Correct. But personal bias is never completely eliminated.

    See: Antonin Scalia
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Hopefully the SCOTUS will intelligently realize that a same-sex couple can no more rightly get themselves a marriage license than a man can get a dog license for his own self.

    A man isn't a "dog".

    A same-sex couple isn't "a man and a woman as husband and wife".

    Hopefully the SCOTUS won't succumb to the three-generational brainwashing by gay activists utilizing the liberal media repeating the oxymoronic mantra chants over and over of "gay marriage" and "same-sex marriage".

    Hopefully the SCOTUS will rule that there is no constitutional right for a same-sex couple to "marry" by definition.

    Hopefully they will rule that, by a different name, say "homarriage" or appropriate whatever, that the will of the majority of Americans (70%) to allow public and private recognition of same-sex committed romantic relationships will be granted by virtue of requiring states to create such a domestic partnership civil union statute for same-sex couples, while still respecting the will of the majority of Americans (63%) that such a statute not be called "marriage", obviously.

    But if they rule that on a state by state basis that each state can decide if "marriage" applies to same-sex couples, that would be both as definitive propriety wrong as it can be to let any state "define" erroneously that marriage could include same-sex couples while at the same time allowing same-sex couples to lose their right to recognition in states that don't make that definitive propriety mistake.

    Better is for the SCOTUS to recognize that "marriage" is and always has been "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", but that same-sex couples have an equal right of recognition .. and that a new name, other than marriage, must be coined to associate that recognition for same-sex couples.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    SOmething important to understand about this: SCOTUS is going to look at 2 issues, based on their scheduling of it. Court will rule on same-sex marriage : SCOTUSblog



    The court has scheduled 90 minutes for the first part, and one hour for the second. This is important since it leaves open a compromise possibility, of saying that states have to recognize marriages from another state, but that they do not have to allow people in their state to get married if they are the same sex. It would still be a victory for SSM, but not as large a victory.
    in order to do the 2nd they would have to upend state sovereignty. even if they do that they basically legalize gay marriage.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't see that happening. The SCOTUS is not going to want to muddy the water. The Supreme Court is not going to want to create a situation where people are driving across state laws to get married in one state to have it recognized in their own.
    As Scallia pointed out, the court is just waiting for it to be more accepted across the nation, their intentions are clear....the writing is on the wall.
    the question is that it wasn't accepted across the nation in fact most states defined marriage between 1 man and 1 women.
    so please tell me how that is being accepted across the nation?

    it wasn't accepted across the nation the courts struck them down. if it was accepted across the nation when did the vote happen?

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Hopefully the SCOTUS will intelligently realize that a same-sex couple can no more rightly get themselves a marriage license than a man can get a dog license for his own self.

    A man isn't a "dog".

    A same-sex couple isn't "a man and a woman as husband and wife".

    Hopefully the SCOTUS won't succumb to the three-generational brainwashing by gay activists utilizing the liberal media repeating the oxymoronic mantra chants over and over of "gay marriage" and "same-sex marriage".

    Hopefully the SCOTUS will rule that there is no constitutional right for a same-sex couple to "marry" by definition.

    Hopefully they will rule that, by a different name, say "homarriage" or appropriate whatever, that the will of the majority of Americans (70%) to allow public and private recognition of same-sex committed romantic relationships will be granted by virtue of requiring states to create such a domestic partnership civil union statute for same-sex couples, while still respecting the will of the majority of Americans (63%) that such a statute not be called "marriage", obviously.

    But if they rule that on a state by state basis that each state can decide if "marriage" applies to same-sex couples, that would be both as definitive propriety wrong as it can be to let any state "define" erroneously that marriage could include same-sex couples while at the same time allowing same-sex couples to lose their right to recognition in states that don't make that definitive propriety mistake.

    Better is for the SCOTUS to recognize that "marriage" is and always has been "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", but that same-sex couples have an equal right of recognition .. and that a new name, other than marriage, must be coined to associate that recognition for same-sex couples.
    Same argument over and over.

    The government does not have the constitutional authority to make this distinction of gender in a private contract. Your semantic argument lacks any actual substance, gender is a protected classification and thus any distinction of gender is subject to intermediate constitutional scrutiny.

    "Definitive propriety" is a nonsensical concept. It implies that definitions of words are immutable, which is obviously false.

    The simplest way to put this:
    This isn't about "defining marriage." This is about whether or not the United States government has the authority to restrict a legal contract on the basis of gender.

    The answer is clearly "no."
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    While some pundits have been asserting that marriage is not an "equal protection" issue, a more authoritative source, the Constitution Annotated, reveals that the equal protection clause is one area in which litigation related to marriage can be addressed. The Constitution Annotated can be found at: https://www.congress.gov/constitution-annotated

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