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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I think it will be safe to say, no matter what the SCOTUS ruling is, there will be a large segment of the population who will declare "they are so wrong and I don't believe it".
    Happens with pretty much every ruling the SCOTUS has ever made. If it didn't, the SCOTUS probably wouldn't be needed to resolve issues in the first place.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    None of my business who consenting adults choose to marry, just as it was none of anyone else's business that my husband & I chose to marry each other all those years ago. I don't know why anyone considers it a right to decide who other adults should be able to marry, especially if it doesn't impact you or your life in any way. I'll include polygamy in that statement as well. Marriage should be a contract that any and all consenting adults should be able to enter into, regardless of sex and number of partners.

    I'm glad that SCOTUS is finally taking this on. This issue needs to be settled once and for all, and it needs to be settled in the only logical manner - if you're a consenting adult, you get to marry whomever the hell you choose to marry.
    The only way other people's marriages can't impact you or your life in any way is if you literally live by yourself, your nearest neighbor is dozens of miles away, and you consume no media.

    If that's not you, which it isn't since you can see this thread and thus consume media, then other people's marriages have an impact on your life.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is not true at all. Just as it wasn't true when it was a restriction that prevented interracial couples from getting married, people are not being treated equally under the law if their sex/gender is being used to determine who they can or cannot marry. There is no reasonable state interest furthered by basing marriage off of sex/gender.
    What qualities are allowed to be leveraged by the state to further their interest? Currently, the factors being used are age, quantity, blood relation, sex, and current marital status.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    What qualities are allowed to be leveraged by the state to further their interest? Currently, the factors being used are age, quantity, blood relation, sex, and current marital status.
    Lots of things, not just those. In fact, incarceration and being behind on child support payments have been used in decisions concerning marriage restrictions. The level of scrutiny they receive can be different though, depending on type of classification used.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Lots of things, not just those. In fact, incarceration and being behind on child support payments have been used in decisions concerning marriage restrictions. The level of scrutiny they receive can be different though, depending on type of classification used.
    Neither of those factors make sense in serving a state interest, but then again, neither do any of the restrictions I listed either.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Neither of those factors make sense in serving a state interest, but then again, neither do any of the restrictions I listed either.
    What are you talking about? The state interest deals with how these factors are used in treating someone differently and whether that treatment furthers a legitimate state interest. The factor itself really doesn't matter, unless you are dealing with the higher levels of scrutiny. What matters mainly is why the state feels it needs to restrict people based on those factors.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

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    It's an emotional subject. People call me a troll when they experiences a dopamine surge in the frontal cortex momentarily inhibiting their self control and filter in response to reading words on their computer screen which I had typed on mine. It evidences a lack of self control and inability to take responsibility for themselves.
    Or perhaps you aren't taking responsibility for posting arguments that make no sense?

    Trust me, you don't make my dopamine surge.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We don't need an Amendment. It has already been passed, the 14th and Equal Protection gives the rights, the power to the individual people rather than the states. You lost the Civil War so the people could have their freedom from tyrannical state governments, ruled by the whim of the majorities or those in power within the state governments.
    Well, that is your hope. The 14th doesn't apply at all, it wasn't even remotely intended for ssm. Unfortunately, I think that there is a better than even shot that the Court will pervert the Constitution once again, this time for ssm.

    There are only a handful of justices that actually look to the Constitution to see how it is intended to handle any case before them. You can bank on the Obama appointees never looking at the Constitution, they've already decided where they are going, they just need to find a way to get there. A few others are already in the bag, so it won't take much to bypass the Constitution and rule in your favor.

    The will of the people violates the rights of others guaranteed by the US Constitution so therefore it should be trumped by the Constitution and decisions that abide by it.
    Obviously, the Constitution guarantees nothing of the kind.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, that is your hope. The 14th doesn't apply at all, it wasn't even remotely intended for ssm. Unfortunately, I think that there is a better than even shot that the Court will pervert the Constitution once again, this time for ssm.

    There are only a handful of justices that actually look to the Constitution to see how it is intended to handle any case before them. You can bank on the Obama appointees never looking at the Constitution, they've already decided where they are going, they just need to find a way to get there. A few others are already in the bag, so it won't take much to bypass the Constitution and rule in your favor.

    Obviously, the Constitution guarantees nothing of the kind.
    We'll see when the Court makes its ruling, but the fact that almost all constitutional law experts are saying that this absolutely would fall under the 14th Amendment and that it is almost certain that the SCOTUS will strike down these laws based on the 14th Amendment and EP, shows that I'm backed pretty well by my "opinion", while yours does not in any way fall in line with precedence already established by the Court for almost a century now.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We'll see when the Court makes its ruling, but the fact that almost all constitutional law experts are saying that this absolutely would fall under the 14th Amendment and that it is almost certain that the SCOTUS will strike down these laws based on the 14th Amendment and EP, shows that I'm backed pretty well by my "opinion", while yours does not in any way fall in line with precedence already established by the Court for almost a century now.
    Really, don't make me get into the times that the Court has been 100% wrong on huge issues.
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