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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    SOmething important to understand about this: SCOTUS is going to look at 2 issues, based on their scheduling of it. Court will rule on same-sex marriage : SCOTUSblog



    The court has scheduled 90 minutes for the first part, and one hour for the second. This is important since it leaves open a compromise possibility, of saying that states have to recognize marriages from another state, but that they do not have to allow people in their state to get married if they are the same sex. It would still be a victory for SSM, but not as large a victory.
    I agree it would be a victory but that would be some shady stuff . . .
    also i cant remember the break down cause its hard enough just to keep track but cases have already gone for both of those and won. Many started that way. While of course since they are the top dog of the land they dont "have" to pay attention to that precedence but it does make it harder.

    not to mention logically in 2014 that would be pretty pointless and continue the unequal treatment. pretty easy to take a trip too one of the many states get married come back and have to be given all the benefits.

    you are right its POSSIBLE but splitting the two decisions doesnt make sense

    if the do that it will be totally transparent they gave into bigotry and fear of bigots and will be very said IMO


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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    I'm not sure how that would work since we have cars, a couple can drive from Ohio to Pennsylvania, get Civilly Married in PA, then drive back home and Ohio has to recognize the Civil Marriage. But yet if they are in Ohio, Ohio doesn't have to issue them a Civil Marriage license that they will recognize from another state?

    They would clearly be setting up a case of unequal treatment under the law for a different-sex couple not to have to go out of state yet to get the same treatment by the government a same-sex couple must travel and return.


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    Think of it like another license, the drivers license. You can absolutely go to another state and if you meet their requirements get a drivers license that all states will recognize. Then just go back. This is already in place and widely accepted. For SSM it would be largely the same. The states decide who they will marry and under what conditions, but once you meet those conditions and get your marriage license, the other states are required to honor that contract. The potential is there, and yes it would cause some real problems especially at first, but it is entirely possible. I would not say it is the most likely outcome, but it could very well happen.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Think of it like another license, the drivers license. You can absolutely go to another state and if you meet their requirements get a drivers license that all states will recognize. Then just go back. This is already in place and widely accepted. For SSM it would be largely the same. The states decide who they will marry and under what conditions, but once you meet those conditions and get your marriage license, the other states are required to honor that contract. The potential is there, and yes it would cause some real problems especially at first, but it is entirely possible. I would not say it is the most likely outcome, but it could very well happen.
    Not exactly. If you move to another state you are required to surrender your license and get a new one. They only recognize it for a small window of time, afterwards you are breaking the law. There is zero chance the Supreme Court takes the route you are raising. It is exactly what they want to avoid.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not exactly. If you move to another state you are required to surrender your license and get a new one. They only recognize it for a small window of time, afterwards you are breaking the law. There is zero chance the Supreme Court takes the route you are raising. It is exactly what they want to avoid.
    Sorta. Such requirements are due to the ID aspect, not the driving aspect.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sorta. Such requirements are due to the ID aspect, not the driving aspect.
    Actually its both. Its why they also require you to re-register your vehicle too and give new plates (although a big part is simply getting the money as well).
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Think of it like another license, the drivers license. You can absolutely go to another state and if you meet their requirements get a drivers license that all states will recognize. Then just go back. This is already in place and widely accepted. For SSM it would be largely the same. The states decide who they will marry and under what conditions, but once you meet those conditions and get your marriage license, the other states are required to honor that contract. The potential is there, and yes it would cause some real problems especially at first, but it is entirely possible. I would not say it is the most likely outcome, but it could very well happen.

    The Drivers License isn't a good example. States will recognize Driver's Licenses from out of state for visitors.

    However if you change your residence you can't keep the old states Drivers License permanently. Let's say I'm from New York and move to Virginia. Under Virginia law I have 60 days to report to a DMV and get my Virginia license.


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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sorta. Such requirements are due to the ID aspect, not the driving aspect.

    The requirements are due to the residency aspect not the ID aspect. Your ID dosen't change in such cases, the residency does.


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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    The legions of conservatives absolutely flabbergasted that SCOTUS didn't accept their absurd defense of discrimination are going to be amazing to watch.

    "Finally, the outrageous rulings of activist judges around the nation--that nullified the will of millions of citizens who voted to preserve traditional marriage--will come under Supreme Court scrutiny. We could be on the cusp of a huge comeback for true marriage! I remain confident that the Supreme Court will uphold the states’ rights to define marriage. Even as Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion striking down the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in 2013, he did so because it infringed upon the states’ authority over marriage. He relied on the states’ 'essential authority to define the marital relation' and our nation’s 'history and tradition of reliance on state law to define marriage.' As a key swing vote on the Supreme Court, Justice Kennedy’s viewpoint could very well determine the outcome here. Now it's time to pull out all the stops for this final battle for marriage in the legal system. Will you help? Please help us fight this battle with your tax-deductible and confidential contribution of any size." - Protect Marriage head Andy Pugno,
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Why such a problem with SSM when opposition to it is for the most based upon bigotry and or religion.
    Why on earth would SCOTUS decide to decide only when it is palatable to a substantial number of citizens.
    That argument goes to the politicization of the Court.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Why such a problem with SSM when opposition to it is for the most based upon bigotry and or religion.
    Why on earth would SCOTUS decide to decide only when it is palatable to a substantial number of citizens.
    That argument goes to the politicization of the Court.
    Not law, but politics.
    They accepted the case now because they have a circuit split which needs to be resolved.
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