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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are either ignorant or in denial if you believe people don't legally marry for reasons other than attraction.
    I've never denied such people exist, but they are statistically insignificant. The pro-SSM movement is filled with gay people who are in love. Take your strawman elsewhere.

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    I'm not lying at all.
    You just said:
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    Why can't pro-SSM just be honest about that for a change?
    Because that is only part of it.
    You just said that pro-ssm has to lie about equality among the sexes because equality among the sexes is only part of the total argument. You defended pro-ssm lying. There's no point in saying you don't lie when you just defended lying.

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    The sexes are treated differently under same sex marriage bans. Unequal treatment by the law.
    The sexes are treated the same. The orientations are not.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    That argument was tried in the Loving case. The law was equal since all races were treated the same, no one could marry someone of the other race.
    I know.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

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    I know.
    And it didn't work then, why would it work now?
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    And it didn't work then, why would it work now?
    Did I say it would? Don't start applying logic and reason to the law, you're head will explode.

    The sexes are being treated equally, and that being a fact doesn't mean the Court will pay it any attention. The Court will base it's decision on politics, as it always does, and politics are based on who can make the most noise and load the biggest diaper (that's why we have texting-while-driving bans instead of a general distracted-driving ban).
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Did I say it would? Don't start applying logic and reason to the law, you're head will explode.

    The sexes are being treated equally, and that being a fact doesn't mean the Court will pay it any attention. The Court will base it's decision on politics, as it always does, and politics are based on who can make the most noise and load the biggest diaper (that's why we have texting-while-driving bans instead of a general distracted-driving ban).
    But the sexes are not being treated equally since a man can do something I can not, marry a woman. That is treating the sexes differently.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    But the sexes are not being treated equally since a man can do something I can not, marry a woman. That is treating the sexes differently.
    Both can marry the opposite sex, neither can marry the same sex. That's equality.

    All unmarried people can marry unmarried people, but not married people, and married people can marry neither unmarried nor married people. That's exactly like saying men can marry men but men cannot marry women, and women cannot marry women, either. That's inequality, and marital status is a federally protected class, too, while sexual orientation is not. So let's stop pretending the law is based on a common system of rational thought.


    So hey, great, let's expand marriage to include same-sex couples, no problem, but's just not an equality issue, nor does it have to be.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Both can marry the opposite sex, neither can marry the same sex. That's equality.

    All unmarried people can marry unmarried people, but not married people, and married people can marry neither unmarried nor married people. That's exactly like saying men can marry men but men cannot marry women, and women cannot marry women, either. That's inequality, and marital status is a federally protected class, too, while sexual orientation is not. So let's stop pretending the law is based on a common system of rational thought.
    SEX is a federally protected class, and using the same tired argument that was used to keep the interracial laws and failed won't work.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    SEX is a federally protected class, and using the same tired argument that was used to keep the interracial laws and failed won't work.
    I'm still editing that last post. Calm yourself.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    SEX is a federally protected class...
    So is marital status but polygamy remains banned. So is familial relation yet incest remains banned even-though people with other inheritable genetic disorders can marry and have defective children. Again, stop trying to apply logic to the law, the two are incomparable.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've never denied such people exist, but they are statistically insignificant. The pro-SSM movement is filled with gay people who are in love. Take your strawman elsewhere.


    You just said:

    You just said that pro-ssm has to lie about equality among the sexes because equality among the sexes is only part of the total argument. You defended pro-ssm lying. There's no point in saying you don't lie when you just defended lying.


    The sexes are treated the same. The orientations are not.
    Why are you being dishonest about what I obviously was replying to? It isn't that hard to figure out that what you quoted from me had to do with other comments you made, since I do not break up my arguments. No lying is being done here.

    And it doesn't matter how few people marry for other reasons, it still occurs and doesn't change my argument. Sex/gender is still being used to discriminate against people.

    The sexes are not treated the same. Each sex cannot do something the other can do. It doesn't matter that each are prevented from doing something similar connected to their sex/gender, just as it didn't matter that a white man couldn't marry a black woman but neither could a black man marry a white woman.
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