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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, the people, not just the states. And the 14th makes it clear that the states must show at least some state interest is furthered in treating people differently.
    The 14th Amendment says no such thing. Have you even read it?

    It amazes me that people can think they have a firm grasp on the issue when they don't even know what their refrences actualy say.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You keep telling yourself that but it simply isn't how the SCOTUS works. Levels of scrutiny does absolutely exist to the Court and whining from those who want to use state laws to oppress others won't change that fact.
    Just pointing out that a lower court ruling has an insignificant impact on SC rulings compared to something written in the Constitution, which this is not. You seem to be arguing from emotion rather than fact.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The 14th Amendment says no such thing. Have you even read it?

    It amazes me that people can think they have a firm grasp on the issue when they don't even know what their refrences actualy say.
    It does guarantee equal protection of the laws for sure and the Supreme Court has ruled several times on this using scrutiny, which is what showing a legitimate (at least) state interest involves.

    While it is true that the 14th doesn't state clearly how to do this, without levels of scrutiny, it would be practically impossible to make any laws that didn't treat people differently.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Just pointing out that a lower court ruling has an insignificant impact on SC rulings compared to something written in the Constitution, which this is not. You seem to be arguing from emotion rather than fact.
    My argument with you has not had anything to do with lower court rulings, but rather the SC's view and precedent it has set pertaining to the EPC and levels of scrutiny.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    My argument with you has not had anything to do with lower court rulings, but rather the SC's view and precedent it has set pertaining to the EPC and levels of scrutiny.
    Well, the SC has had a history of finding things in the Constitution that simply are not there, so things are looking good for you, but bad for the poor old Constitution, and those it protects. Let's face it, the 14th amendment was enacted to give former slaves the rights of full fledged Americans, and had nothing to do with gay marriage.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Here's to hoping that the Supreme Court will do it's actual job and follow the Constitution. They've been pretty awful so far, and there is not much hope.
    LOL.....you won't like the result when they do. Let me guess...it will go something like this: Blah blah blah...activist judges....blah blah.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, the SC has had a history of finding things in the Constitution that simply are not there, so things are looking good for you, but bad for the poor old Constitution, and those it protects. Let's face it, the 14th amendment was enacted to give former slaves the rights of full fledged Americans, and had nothing to do with gay marriage.
    Things that have been mostly good for the people and individual rights more often than against them. And since the majority seems to support a good amount of their interpretations, then too bad for those who prefer state rights triumph over individual rights.

    I always find it funny how so many antigay and/or state rights people are so opposed to an interpretation of the Constitution that grants individuals more rights. It just proves that those people want to live in tyrannies ruled by a majority, as long as they are part of the majority.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL.....you won't like the result when they do. Let me guess...it will go something like this: Blah blah blah...activist judges....blah blah.
    It's always great when someone can make a reasonable, well thought out response. Maybe one day.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And same-sex marriage bans most definitely do not pass intermediate or strict constitutional scrutiny. Hell, even the rational basis test is sketchy at best.
    Your say-so means little to nothing. Demonstrate it, as the Supreme Court will have to deminstrate it.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It does guarantee equal protection of the laws for sure and the Supreme Court has ruled several times on this using scrutiny, which is what showing a legitimate (at least) state interest involves.

    While it is true that the 14th doesn't state clearly how to do this, without levels of scrutiny, it would be practically impossible to make any laws that didn't treat people differently.
    And as long as everyone is under the same restrictions, the aplication is equal. Even Loving conceded that point.

    If the state banned anyone under 30 from marrying, that's equal. If the state required everyone to take a blood test and reveal the results to their partner before the wedding, that's equal. If the state banned more than one marriage in a lifetime, that's equal. If the state required everyone to complete pre-marital counseling at their own experience, that's equal. If the state banned all marriage completely, that's equal.
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