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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Seems to me he likes to argue in whatever way garners a reaction. He just red herrings both sides while pretending to agree with the underlying principle like it's some kind of mind ****. It's like NP saying he's not anti gay after starting a dozen threads celebrating an anti gay law, except doing it intentionally.

    Only reason i respond at all is 90% of his post uses the argues exactly the same as most on the far right, so i'm debating all of them instead
    That's pure bull**** and you know it. I enjoy debate. That's all there is to it. I take whichever side I feel like in a given thread. You forget that in formal debate classes you frequintly have to argue against your personaly held view so as to better understand your opponent and the issue itself.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's pure bull**** and you know it. I enjoy debate. That's all there is to it. I take whichever side I feel like in a given thread. You forget that in formal debate classes you frequintly have to argue against your personaly held view so as to better understand your opponent and the issue itself.

    When I play world of warcraft I may log in as aliance, I may log in as hord. Depends on what I feel like at the time.
    Arguing against my own view is what i call pondering, or if i want to understand the issue better, in the form of questions. I don't take a position i have utter contempt for just to see how those i agree with respond.

    What you describe is more like the job of a lawyer defending a client he knows is guilty, except the actual case you make arguing against SSM is so weak, combined with your "I support SSM," that it's easily seen as trolling. You see, "I'm better than you" encapsulates all anti SSM arguments. They're all weak and hateful. It's unavoidable.

    And yeah, your video game metaphor...if the position you take in debates hinges on your mood swings, that too seems like not a genuine position. You take the side you feel like, which is generally to argue against both sides at different times, i've noticed

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Arguing against my own view is what i call pondering, or if i want to understand the issue better, in the form of questions. I don't take a position i have utter contempt for just to see how those i agree with respond.
    That's you, not me.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    What you describe is more like the job of a lawyer defending a client he knows is guilty, except the actual case you make arguing against SSM is so weak, combined with your "I support SSM," that it's easily seen as trolling. You see, "I'm better than you" encapsulates all anti SSM arguments. They're all weak and hateful. It's unavoidable.
    Be carfull, acusing people of trolling, is trolling.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    And yeah, your video game metaphor...if the position you take in debates hinges on your mood swings, that too seems like not a genuine position. You take the side you feel like, which is generally to argue against both sides at different times, i've noticed
    Where in the forum rules are we required only to take genuine positions? The forum has even awarded me for taking opposing views. You need to check yourself.

    My view on SSM is "they can't do worse than I did, let'em have a shot". Everything else is just me passing time.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    No, the SCOTUS did not decide that "decades ago".

    There simply is no constitutional right to marry in violation of marriage's fundamental terms of between a man and a woman as husband and wife.
    For one, the Constitution does not set forth what its citizens shall be permitted to do, it sets forth what the government shall be able to regulate.

    For another, what determines "marriage's fundamental terms? What establishes the supposed fundamentalism of marriage?

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I do support SSM. As a supporter, I attack SSM from all angles so as to define it's weaknesses and fix them.

    One such weakness are people who think Loving is some kind of trump card. It's not. It really is not. Loving will help, but Loving won't save the day. Only the merits specific to SSM will win the day, and those merits are contained in the 'family' argument pro-SSM hate to make. The favored 'sexual choice' arguments never win in court. If SSM fails before SCOTUS it will be because pro-SSM pushed the 'sexual choice' arguments over the 'family' arguments.
    The 14th amendment is the question before the court. Nobody is arguing about "sexual choice."
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The 14th amendment is the question before the court. Nobody is arguing about "sexual choice."
    Yeah. exactly. Not sure what Jerry is going to argue....

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Here's to hoping that the Supreme Court will do it's actual job and follow the Constitution. They've been pretty awful so far, and there is not much hope.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    you want us to turn for a solution to the same cesspool of uneducated theocrats who put us in this position in the first place? Not on your life
    exactly!!!

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    It is so exciting! back in the mid80s, a few years out of college, I wrote a letter to the editor in favor of same sex marriage. I had no idea I'd see it happen in my lifetime!

    Now all we need is a woman president, and all my major life wishes will be met
    hahahaha niiiiice

    that would be fine with me too and it will be a great achievement

    what a great america my daughter will be in and my grandchildren as far as THESE fronts are concerned . . .
    hopefully we make great strides in education, healthcare and infrastructure (transportation, utilities and technology)
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Here's to hoping that the Supreme Court will do it's actual job and follow the Constitution. They've been pretty awful so far, and there is not much hope.
    They will. The 14th amendment requires scrutiny of any gender-based restriction. This particular restriction doesn't pass the test.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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