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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I never said that we did.....however, it starts with the premise that marriage is a fundamental right and the court has to balance that with whatever legitimate governmental interest there is in banning it. If it wasn't a fundamental right, the government would have to show a much lower interest in banning it but because it involves a fundamental right, the court will give it much higher scrutiny.
    I know.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Loving also said that marriage was essential for reproduction and SSM has taken reproduction off the table. Human kind has a long history of legal interracial marriage whereas legal SSM is a very recent thing. Marriage per-se is a fundamental right but SSM specifically has not been established as such. All Loving guarantees is that a gay white man can marry a gay black woman. Interracial marriage and SSM are different things. You don't get SSM just because Loving exists, it's not that simple, it never is.
    Reproduction isn't an argument against same-sex marriage, because banning same-sex marriage does not further any baby-related goals.

    Plus, we don't ban infertile couples from marriage, and that takes reproduction off the table too. Reproduction is a red herring. The real question is equal protection.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I know.
    And same-sex marriage bans most definitely do not pass intermediate or strict constitutional scrutiny. Hell, even the rational basis test is sketchy at best.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    False.

    And, the majority of states only have the oxymoronic SSM because activist liberal judges have so ruled.

    Without the activist liberal judges, the great majority of states oppose the oxymoronic SSM.

    The great majority of the American people oppose the oxymoronic SSM.

    That's what matters.

    The SCOTUS isn't going to utilize judicial activism and create "a right to SSM".

    No, the SCOTUS will like defer to the states.
    Yeah, judge after judge appointed by the right wing have ruled against these bans and only the iowa supreme court before popular support and yet they're all "liberal activists". Just like i'm sure you will declare SCOTUS after they let you down, despite 5 of them were bush/reagan/clinton appointees.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    SSM isn't harmful so you i guess you must support it.
    I do support SSM. As a supporter, I attack SSM from all angles so as to define it's weaknesses and fix them.

    One such weakness are people who think Loving is some kind of trump card. It's not. It really is not. Loving will help, but Loving won't save the day. Only the merits specific to SSM will win the day, and those merits are contained in the 'family' argument pro-SSM hate to make. The favored 'sexual choice' arguments never win in court. If SSM fails before SCOTUS it will be because pro-SSM pushed the 'sexual choice' arguments over the 'family' arguments.

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    False.

    And, the majority of states only have the oxymoronic SSM because activist liberal judges have so ruled.

    Without the activist liberal judges, the great majority of states oppose the oxymoronic SSM.

    The great majority of the American people oppose the oxymoronic SSM.

    That's what matters.

    The SCOTUS isn't going to utilize judicial activism and create "a right to SSM".

    No, the SCOTUS will like defer to the states.
    What are you, nuts?

    Same-Sex Marriage Support Reaches New High at 55%

    The idea that the "great majority of Americans" oppose SSM is laughably false.

    The chance of the SCOTUS ruling against SSM is approximately zero.
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I do support SSM. As a supporter, I attack SSM from all angles so as to define it's weaknesses and fix them.

    One such weakness are people who think Loving is some kind of trump card. It's not. It really is not. Loving will help, but Loving won't save the day. Only the merits specific to SSM will win the day, and those merits are contained in the 'family' argument pro-SSM hate to make. The favored 'sexual choice' arguments never win in court. If SSM fails before SCOTUS it will be because pro-SSM pushed the 'sexual choice' arguments over the 'family' arguments.
    yeah like 'sexual choice' argument never won in lawrence v texas...

    equal protection is equal protection. SSM bans just happen to have multiple angles to attack from on constitutional grounds, including yes family stability, sexual/romantic attraction, 2nd class status, legal rights. If it were for family only then only same sex couples with kids could marry, and hetero couples without kids could not

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I do support SSM. As a supporter, I attack SSM from all angles so as to define it's weaknesses and fix them.

    One such weakness are people who think Loving is some kind of trump card. It's not. It really is not. Loving will help, but Loving won't save the day. Only the merits specific to SSM will win the day, and those merits are contained in the 'family' argument pro-SSM hate to make. The favored 'sexual choice' arguments never win in court. If SSM fails before SCOTUS it will be because pro-SSM pushed the 'sexual choice' arguments over the 'family' arguments.
    When did you come around to supporting SSM?
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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    When did you come around to supporting SSM?
    Seems to me he likes to argue in whatever way garners a reaction. He just red herrings both sides while pretending to agree with the underlying principle like it's some kind of mind ****. It's like NP saying he's not anti gay after starting a dozen threads celebrating an anti gay law, except doing it intentionally.

    Only reason i respond at all is 90% of his post uses the argues exactly the same as most on the far right, so i'm debating all of them instead

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    Re: Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    When did you come around to supporting SSM?
    Years ago. I share more views with the center and left than I do with the right.

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