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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Also, there is something to be said for the shock value. Back in WW2, the MacArthur understood this very well and used the people's own belief system to make the transition much easier. This is why we kept the Emperor alive and never tried him for war crimes. He was a far more useful tool alive and dead. But more importantly, it did a lot to shock the Japanese people to be humbled. And more than anything, if Islam is to be contained, the people have to be humbled to the point where they no longer believe (as the majority of many Arab nations do) that it's okay to punish those that leave Islam and convert (or I suppose go Atheist). You wanna know the smartest thing MacArthur did during the entire war? This Photo:

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    The image of MacArthur towering above the Emperor, a man who most Japanese had never seen before and most saw as a god-like figure, was very humbling. And regardless of if we end up having to deal with one enemy, or a dozen, the only way we end this scourge once and for all, is by breaking their will and making them know that violence will no longer be tolerated.
    What I wanted to say with "every war is different" is that looking today McArthur had it easy. Disillusioning the Japanese is easier that disillusioning Muslims. The reason is that proving that the Emperor is not a god is easy because after all the Emperor was flesh and blood.

    But how can one seriously prove a negative? Hot to prove that God does not exists?
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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Saudi Arabia and ISIS would never be allies. One's Sunni and the other's Shia with all the baggage that entails. Part of the reason for the Conflict in Iraq is that you have the Sunni ISIS that is pushing through friendly Sunni territory, and not is being resisted by Shia Iraq that will be backed by the Sauds.

    Something major would have to shift for these two to work together.
    No doubt-but that makes my point.

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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I see, America should just ignore agreements they sign with other countries.

    President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement

    The USA should just do what it wants to do, and be the world's police force,

    just think of all those Iraqis who were trained to protect themselves, and who received money, support and arms to defend their country with, all down the drain because their people were too gutless and lacked spine enough to protect themselves. They abandoned equipment and arms a ran away from a fight like little baby school boys.

    Anything else you want to add to the conversation? Other than blame Obama?
    This is intellectually lazy. You'd sit by and smile at a paper while hundreds of thousands die in Iraq. Thats Unamerican, and any threatened Iraqi would smack that piece of paper out of your hands.

    The leader of the free world does not get to hide behind paper-though you'd like to do just that.

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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    They are both totalitarian. Just that the Saudi's happen to be bigger compared to ISIS at the moment.
    And one a US ally. This I can't deny.

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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Hay MMC

    You never know.

    Perhaps these will remain moderate or secular enough to do the job.
    I fear that when push comes to shove-the FSA will be eaten alive by ISIS.

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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I fear that when push comes to shove-the FSA will be eaten alive by ISIS.
    Remains to be seen.
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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I fear that when push comes to shove-the FSA will be eaten alive by ISIS.

    I don't think they have much of a force anymore.


    Pentagon Official: The Facts Are In, And Obama’s Policy Is A Direct Danger.....to the United States.


    The report is in, and the review of the president’s foreign policy is clear: If there is not an immediate course-reversal, the United States is in serious danger. In 2013, the United States Institute for Peace, “a congressionally-created, independent, nonpartisan institution whose mission is to prevent, mitigate, and resolve violent conflicts around the world,” was asked to assist the National Defense Panel with reviewing the Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR). The National Defense Panel is a congressional-mandated bipartisan commission that’s co-chairs were appointed by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel.

    On July 31, the National Defense Panel released its long-awaited report on the effects of the QDR and delivered its findings to Congress. The panel pulled no punches — its findings were a scathing indictment of Obama’s foreign policy, national security policy, and defense policy. The panel found that president Barack Obama’s QDR, military force reductions, and trillion-dollar defense budget cuts are dangerous — and will leave the country in a position where it is unable to respond to threats to our nation’s security. This, the panel concluded, must be reversed as soon as possible.....snip~

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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is intellectually lazy. You'd sit by and smile at a paper while hundreds of thousands die in Iraq. Thats Unamerican, and any threatened Iraqi would smack that piece of paper out of your hands.

    The leader of the free world does not get to hide behind paper-though you'd like to do just that.
    So, you're pro spill more American blood and resources? I always knew conservatives and republicans were quite insane, but I didn't know how much.

    You think Bush ever cared about Americans, or anyone else being killed in Iraq? Please, give us a break.

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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    So, you're pro spill more American blood and resources?
    To an extent yes-some things are worth fighting for-and evidently Obama feels the same way.

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    Re: U.S. to begin to train and equip moderate Syria rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I see, America should just ignore agreements they sign with other countries.

    President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement

    The USA should just do what it wants to do, and be the world's police force,

    just think of all those Iraqis who were trained to protect themselves, and who received money, support and arms to defend their country with, all down the drain because their people were too gutless and lacked spine enough to protect themselves. They abandoned equipment and arms a ran away from a fight like little baby school boys.

    Anything else you want to add to the conversation? Other than blame Obama?

    **** yes! I do.

    Let's start with these "gutless" Iraqi's. Would that be the ones abandoned by Obama when he refused to leave troops in country?

    Or was the need to get his incompetent ass re-elected more important than the lives of Iraqi's and the growing swell of fanaticism?

    Blame Obama? **** YES! Who ELSE has been in charge of the United States military...Sarah Palin?

    You do know that Barack Hussein Obama was sworn into office SEVEN years ago now, what Bush did is what is know as HISTORY, as he hasn't ordered the bombing of anyone in nearly a decade.

    Obama is head of state.

    Obama is Chief Executive Officer.

    Obama is Commander in Chief.

    Those aren't titles, son, they are job descriptions and nobody else is making the decisions on the war on terror, nor George Bush, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, the other George Bush, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Ronald Reagan or anyone else....ONE MAN, Barrack Hussein Obama and the "audacity of hope" is entirely responsible for ever ****ing thing that happens in the entire United States government, just like every other president in the history of the United States, even the arrogant, self centered and incompetent Harry S. Truman who coined the phrase "the buck stops here"!

    So get off the sorry old pity pot, wipe the poor me tears from your eyes, and accept the fact your messiah is a complete **** up.
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