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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

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    You point to the effort to repeal Obamacare which is a job destroyer not creator. That to me seems to be part of the problem today, not enough jobs so with the economy in the shape it was why not solve the economic problems and do so by not focusing on Obamacare? The stimulus didn't do its job well enough and more incentive was needed for the private sector so what did Obama do, proposed Obamacare. Brilliant and just shows how radical and incompetent he is.
    Our unemployment rate has been creeping down. How long does it have to go before there is enough jobs?

    And yes, Harry Reid did obstruct a lot of legislation that had nothing to do with Obamacare but as usual that is what you want to focus on. Not surprising.
    Obamacare was major legislation. So was the stimulus act. When was the last time such sweeping legislation was passed in the US? The 70's?
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

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    Our unemployment rate has been creeping down. How long does it have to go before there is enough jobs?


    Obamacare was major legislation. So was the stimulus act. When was the last time such sweeping legislation was passed in the US? The 70's?
    Our unemployment rate is lower because of part time employees and ignoring discouraged workers but you buy the headlines. the U-6 rate is 11.2% and we are 6 years into the recovery. That seems to be a success for people like you, why?

    Yes, Obamacare was major legislation that passed on a totally partisan vote and both failed except in the liberal world where there are always low expectations. Please show me the spending in the Reagan Stimulus as well as the 17 million jobs created from the Obama stimulus?

    Why would anyone give Obama credit for legislation that led to the loss of Congress for his party?

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

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    Our unemployment rate is lower because of part time employees and ignoring discouraged workers but you buy the headlines. the U-6 rate is 11.2% and we are 6 years into the recovery. That seems to be a success for people like you, why?
    The number of people in part time jobs for economic reasons has been dropping since 2009 as has the U6 rate. In fact the U6 rate is getting close to the historic average. Those are both good things. Considering how high both were during the peak of the recession...yes...those are successes.

    Yes, Obamacare was major legislation that passed on a totally partisan vote and both failed except in the liberal world where there are always low expectations. Please show me the spending in the Reagan Stimulus as well as the 17 million jobs created from the Obama stimulus?
    The purpose of Obamacare was to increase the number of individuals with healthcare and to bend the healthcare cost curve. In fact, as of June of 2014, healthcare growth slowed to a historically low rate. It was the first time since 1997 that healthcare costs didn't outpace the GDP growth. The percentage of individuals without insurance has dropped as well. Of course, it has dropped the greatest in states that have embraced Obamacare and dropped the least in states that haven't instituted a lot of portions of Obamacare (minus Kentucky), but it's met that goal as well.

    Why would anyone give Obama credit for legislation that led to the loss of Congress for his party?
    Because when this Congress is long forgotten by people that legislation will still be around.
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    iliveonramen;1064217371]The number of people in part time jobs for economic reasons has been dropping since 2009 as has the U6 rate. In fact the U6 rate is getting close to the historic average. Those are both good things. Considering how high both were during the peak of the recession...yes...those are successes.
    Dropping is good, over 7 million today over 6 years after the end of the recession isn't. 11.2% U-6 too is dropping which is good but the number terrible 6 years after the end of the recession and with those great numbers Obama is touting. Anytime you have a recession the recovery should be faster and more significant than just getting back to pre recession levels. Do you have such low standards in your personal life?


    The purpose of Obamacare was to increase the number of individuals with healthcare and to bend the healthcare cost curve. In fact, as of June of 2014, healthcare growth slowed to a historically low rate. It was the first time since 1997 that healthcare costs didn't outpace the GDP growth. The percentage of individuals without insurance has dropped as well. Of course, it has dropped the greatest in states that have embraced Obamacare and dropped the least in states that haven't instituted a lot of portions of Obamacare (minus Kentucky), but it's met that goal as well.
    Most of those enrolling were eligible for Medicaid but didn't take advantage of the program. Deductibles are up, you cannot keep your doctor or plan in many cases as Obama promised, and the American people remain against the program. Tell me where the penalties go for those who elect not to purchase healthcare? You are easily brainwashed by liberalism and that is sad




    Because when this Congress is long forgotten by people that legislation will still be around
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    Yes, the effects will last for a long time, the next GOP President is going to have quite a mess to clean up vs. what Obama inherited, an economy coming out of recession and TARP which is reported to have saved the financial institutions. There is eventually going to come a time when our economic collapses under liberal spending and social engineering

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Dropping is good, over 7 million today over 6 years after the end of the recession isn't. 11.2% U-6 too is dropping which is good but the number terrible 6 years after the end of the recession and with those great numbers Obama is touting. Anytime you have a recession the recovery should be faster and more significant than just getting back to pre recession levels. Do you have such low standards in your personal life?



    Most of those enrolling were eligible for Medicaid but didn't take advantage of the program. Deductibles are up, you cannot keep your doctor or plan in many cases as Obama promised, and the American people remain against the program. Tell me where the penalties go for those who elect not to purchase healthcare? You are easily brainwashed by liberalism and that is sad



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    Yes, the effects will last for a long time, the next GOP President is going to have quite a mess to clean up vs. what Obama inherited, an economy coming out of recession and TARP which is reported to have saved the financial institutions. There is eventually going to come a time when our economic collapses under liberal spending and social engineering
    Why would you say the things I bolded?
    After all of your comments with relative intelligence?

    And, one man's tax increases are another man's tax revenue replenishments.

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Why would you say the things I bolded?
    After all of your comments with relative intelligence?

    And, one man's tax increases are another man's tax revenue replenishments.

    Let me know when you're ready to move off the goal line you keep moving and proceed toward the 50-yard line, where I will shake your hand .
    Because when someone makes the same stupid statements over and over again about how much money someone else pays in taxes, how much someone else earns, how great the economic numbers are when they aren't you have to question their intelligence.

    One man's tax increase are another man's tax revenue replenishment? What the hell are you talking about? Gruber has to be smiling when he reads posts like this one. You think my tax dollars go to replenish someone else's? What is wrong with people like you? I cannot believe the ignorance of today's liberals and willingness to be led to slaughter by the liberal elites, sad, very sad

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And yes, Harry Reid did obstruct a lot of legislation that had nothing to do with Obamacare but as usual that is what you want to focus on. Not surprising.
    Yet Democrats aren't supposed to do this now with the McConnell filibuster--turn the page as McConnell says--don't do as I did, do as I say.

    Just as McConnell trumpeted last decade when the GOP took over .
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, the effects will last for a long time, the next GOP President is going to have quite a mess to clean up vs. what Obama inherited, an economy coming out of recession and TARP which is reported to have saved the financial institutions. There is eventually going to come a time when our economic collapses under liberal spending and social engineering
    Apparently McConnell doesn't feel the same as you do--along with many other GOPs.
    Jumping on the bandwagon that the GOP is to be given credit for the greatest job increase in 15 years.
    Not to mention the 3rd and 4th quarter GDPs .
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Dropping is good, over 7 million today over 6 years after the end of the recession isn't. 11.2% U-6 too is dropping which is good but the number terrible 6 years after the end of the recession and with those great numbers Obama is touting. Anytime you have a recession the recovery should be faster and more significant than just getting back to pre recession levels. Do you have such low standards in your personal life?
    So how fast should the recession recover? It was by a lot of measurements the worst recession since the Great Depression. Unemployment hovered around 6% for nearly 3 years after the dot com bubble and that wasn't even a recession (in two consecutive negative quarters). The size and scope of what happened in late 2008 and early 2009 is without comparison in the modern age. We are recovering faster than a lot of other major economies in the world. You talk about low standards but I have no idea what your standards even are. No matter what it wouldn't be fast enough. Your playing in make believe land where you can just sit on the fence and say it wasn't good enough.

    Most of those enrolling were eligible for Medicaid but didn't take advantage of the program. Deductibles are up, you cannot keep your doctor or plan in many cases as Obama promised, and the American people remain against the program. Tell me where the penalties go for those who elect not to purchase healthcare? You are easily brainwashed by liberalism and that is sad
    In an ABC/Wahs Post poll 39% of Americans want to appeal it (57% don't). The rest is just noise that you don't care to back up.

    Yes, the effects will last for a long time, the next GOP President is going to have quite a mess to clean up vs. what Obama inherited, an economy coming out of recession and TARP which is reported to have saved the financial institutions. There is eventually going to come a time when our economic collapses under liberal spending and social engineering
    Lol! Honestly with that comment you have proven who the brainwashed person is.
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yet Democrats aren't supposed to do this now with the McConnell filibuster--turn the page as McConnell says--don't do as I did, do as I say.

    Just as McConnell trumpeted last decade when the GOP took over .
    Look, your party controlled the Congress for the first two years of Obama and the last 2 years of Bush. It is the majority party's responsibility to set the tone and show leadership, they failed when Obama told the Republican Party, "I won, you lost" and then implemented the failed stimulus and Obamacare. Leadership is about talking responsibility and Obama never has done that.

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