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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In a weird kind of way, yeah, you are right....In that both parties tend to do the same things and now since the power is away from congress I am sure we will hear all about how the demo's are obstructionists from you....Oh wait, maybe not.
    I think it's more that the rules have changed. There was an unspoken agreement where elections mattered. The Senate rules were used to block more extreme legislation and extreme candidates. Veto's were used under certain circumstances.

    If Obama uses the veto to completely block Congress sure...I'll say he was an obstructionist, but it's also how the game is played now. The new rules are, if you aren't in power you block everything possible until you get back into power.
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I think it's more that the rules have changed. There was an unspoken agreement where elections mattered. The Senate rules were used to block more extreme legislation and extreme candidates. Veto's were used under certain circumstances.

    If Obama uses the veto to completely block Congress sure...I'll say he was an obstructionist, but it's also how the game is played now. The new rules are, if you aren't in power you block everything possible until you get back into power.
    How about naming for us the GOP Passed legislation sitting in Harry Reid's desk that you don't like or don't support?

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wow. Sounds like he's salivating at the prospect of fighting with the GOP for the next 2 years. What a unifier he turned out to be.
    everyone with a brain knew he was an affirmative action poster child elected by people who wanted to convince themselves that voting for such a person would prove to themselves they weren't "racist" or so they could feel good that america could elect an incompetent black with a Muslim sounding name

    actual competence had almost nothing to do with Obamagasms



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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about naming for us the GOP Passed legislation sitting in Harry Reid's desk that you don't like or don't support?
    Why don't you tell us about any of those bills passed by the House and where they are? Are they in committee? Is there a competing bill the Senate is currently working on? Are they actual legislation or "get rid of Obamacare" type bills?
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    everyone with a brain knew he was an affirmative action poster child elected by people who wanted to convince themselves that voting for such a person would prove to themselves they weren't "racist" or so they could feel good that america could elect an incompetent black with a Muslim sounding name

    actual competence had almost nothing to do with Obamagasms
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Why don't you tell us about any of those bills passed by the House and where they are? Are they in committee? Is there a competing bill the Senate is currently working on? Are they actual legislation or "get rid of Obamacare" type bills?
    No, they are sitting in Harry Reid's desk or some Democrat Committee Head's desk, why don't you do some research rather than simply spout liberal talking points calling Republicans Obstructionists?

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, they are sitting in Harry Reid's desk or some Democrat Committee Head's desk, why don't you do some research rather than simply spout liberal talking points calling Republicans Obstructionists?

    Are 300 House bills really bottled up in the Senate? - The Washington Post
    Uhhh

    Voila! It turned out that in 11 of the past 19 Congresses — more than half — more than 300 bills were waiting for Senate action by the time the Congress completed its work. In fact, there were nearly 200 or more House bills pending in every single Congress of the past 40 years. (For this Congress, the number currently is just shy of 350.)
    I'm not sure how posting that article supports your case

    This is one of these “facts” that is sorely lacking context. While some 300 bills have passed the House and failed to pass the Senate, there is nothing unusual or unique about this. As Bump put it, “when it comes to House legislation that the Senate is ignoring, it’s the same as it ever was.”
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Uhhh



    I'm not sure how posting that article supports your case
    Yes, notice the spike since Obama took office and Democrats took control of the Senate?

    By the way it is liberals who called the Republicans Obstructionist and that this is the worst recession since the Great Depression. If that is the case why weren't House Bills debate? In the past there wasn't the sense of urgency with what you claim as a severe recession requiring legislation many of which were job related

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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, notice the spike since Obama took office and Democrats took control of the Senate?
    So....Harry Reid was leaving bills in his "desk" that were passed by his own party in the House? Harry Reid is SUCH an obstructionist that he can't help obstructing his own party?

    By the way it is liberals who called the Republicans Obstructionist and that this is the worst recession since the Great Depression. If that is the case why weren't House Bills debate? In the past there wasn't the sense of urgency with what you claim as a severe recession requiring legislation many of which were job related
    There were a couple major pieces of legislation passed during that time frame. One of them has occupied a lot of the Republican controlled Houses time by trying to repeal it. There was a lot of work done with the Democratically controlled House and Senate.
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    Re: Obama vows to ‘play offense’ against GOP-led Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So....Harry Reid was leaving bills in his "desk" that were passed by his own party in the House? Harry Reid is SUCH an obstructionist that he can't help obstructing his own party?



    There were a couple major pieces of legislation passed during that time frame. One of them has occupied a lot of the Republican controlled Houses time by trying to repeal it. There was a lot of work done with the Democratically controlled House and Senate.
    You point to the effort to repeal Obamacare which is a job destroyer not creator. That to me seems to be part of the problem today, not enough jobs so with the economy in the shape it was why not solve the economic problems and do so by not focusing on Obamacare? The stimulus didn't do its job well enough and more incentive was needed for the private sector so what did Obama do, proposed Obamacare. Brilliant and just shows how radical and incompetent he is.

    And yes, Harry Reid did obstruct a lot of legislation that had nothing to do with Obamacare but as usual that is what you want to focus on. Not surprising.

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