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    McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    HERSHEY, Pa.—After hearing a week's worth of complaints from his conservative members, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday that the Senate will attempt to approve a House-passed bill that guts President Obama's executive actions on immigration.
    Months after the president announced his executive action to protect millions of illegal immigrants within U.S. borders, Senate Republican leaders have been cagey about how they will respond, raising concerns among border hawks within the conference. But McConnell affirmed at a joint House and Senate Republican retreat in Hershey, Pa., that he will work to get the House's bill—which passed that chamber Wednesday—to the president's desk. "We're going to try to pass it," he told reporters Thursday.

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    To those of you who thought that now that repubs have the entire congress that things would change? Not so fast....Repub leadership doesn't have the stones to fight for what the people want.
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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To those of you who thought that now that repubs have the entire congress that things would change? Not so fast....Repub leadership doesn't have the stones to fight for what the people want.
    I'd say trying to pass it is having the stones. Try as they might, they can't change math and there aren't 60 Republicans in the Senate.

    Also, for every person who wants this to pass, there is probably one who doesn't. Those people count too. So it's not what "the people want" it's what about half the people want.


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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To those of you who thought that now that repubs have the entire congress that things would change? Not so fast....Repub leadership doesn't have the stones to fight for what the people want.
    That is because what the people want (real immigration law enforcement) costs a lot of money. Immigration law enforcement is not cheap - it requires major enforcement personnel increases as well as other system changes. How, exactly, do these "border hawks" intend to fund federal immigration law enforcement? Why do we now have 10X as many federal airport nannies than ICE agents? Serious law enforcement requires serious law enforcement personnel and systems. How long would it take, under the current law, to identify, apprehend and "process" 20 million folks - using only 5K ICE agents?
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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is because what the people want (real immigration law enforcement) costs a lot of money. Immigration law enforcement is not cheap - it requires major enforcement personnel increases as well as other system changes. How, exactly, do these "border hawks" intend to fund federal immigration law enforcement? Why do we now have 10X as many federal airport nannies than ICE agents? Serious law enforcement requires serious law enforcement personnel and systems. How long would it take, under the current law, to identify, apprehend and "process" 20 million folks - using only 5K ICE agents?
    Agreed. IMO, the appropriate, and less costly, way to deal with the millions of illegals exploiting the country is at the job level. E-Verify to prove due diligence by the employer, and catastrophic, draconian penalty's for employers found guilty of knowingly hiring them. Asset forfeiture to pay penalty's and mandatory jail time. Problem, and the draw, eventually solves itself.

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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To those of you who thought that now that repubs have the entire congress that things would change? Not so fast....Repub leadership doesn't have the stones to fight for what the people want.
    What do 'the people' want, because you and me probably want extremely different things when it comes to immigration and for every 10 people you can find that agree with you, I can find 10 that agree with me. So it's not really what 'the people' want - it's what you, and the people who agree with you, want that you are really talking about.
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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'd say trying to pass it is having the stones. Try as they might, they can't change math and there aren't 60 Republicans in the Senate.

    Also, for every person who wants this to pass, there is probably one who doesn't. Those people count too. So it's not what "the people want" it's what about half the people want.
    Americans Oppose Obama's Unilateral Action on Immigration

    You'll note that not only do a sizable portion (65%) of Americans not want Obama to single handedly dictate immigration law, but that the polls show that support for "comprehensive" **** is "diminishing".... People understand that we have to take this on piece by piece....These all inclusive piles of dung are just that....Start with step one, secure the border, THEN deal with those here.
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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is because what the people want (real immigration law enforcement) costs a lot of money. Immigration law enforcement is not cheap - it requires major enforcement personnel increases as well as other system changes. How, exactly, do these "border hawks" intend to fund federal immigration law enforcement? Why do we now have 10X as many federal airport nannies than ICE agents? Serious law enforcement requires serious law enforcement personnel and systems. How long would it take, under the current law, to identify, apprehend and "process" 20 million folks - using only 5K ICE agents?
    Far too long, that's why we focus on the border enforcement first, once that is brought under control, and not with BS numbers that we are fed today by this lying administration, but with real measures, and numbers, then, and only then can we address the ones that are here....You don't start pumping out a flooded basement, until you fix the damn leak.
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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    What do 'the people' want, because you and me probably want extremely different things when it comes to immigration and for every 10 people you can find that agree with you, I can find 10 that agree with me. So it's not really what 'the people' want - it's what you, and the people who agree with you, want that you are really talking about.
    The polls are there, I even provided one...it's quite clear.
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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Agreed. IMO, the appropriate, and less costly, way to deal with the millions of illegals exploiting the country is at the job level. E-Verify to prove due diligence by the employer, and catastrophic, draconian penalty's for employers found guilty of knowingly hiring them. Asset forfeiture to pay penalty's and mandatory jail time. Problem, and the draw, eventually solves itself.
    Even that requires physically checking each and every employer (and each of their employees), many of which use (or soon will use) 1099 labor or "temp agencies" to supply the labor. Fake IDs abound so who is guilty if Joe turns out to really have been Jose? When the local mill, store, farm or factory shuts down (to pay the ICE fine) then EVERYONE is screwed simply because Joe turned out to be Jose with a fake ID. Forcing the employer to become an unpaid ICE agent will not be the magic bullet that many expect.
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    Re: McConnell: Senate Will 'Try to Pass' House Immigration Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Far too long, that's why we focus on the border enforcement first, once that is brought under control, and not with BS numbers that we are fed today by this lying administration, but with real measures, and numbers, then, and only then can we address the ones that are here....You don't start pumping out a flooded basement, until you fix the damn leak.
    The "leak" is only 60% (at most) at the border - many simply overstay their tourist, work or student visas. Even if we did stop all border jumpers (at considerable cost) that still means a net increase in illegals every year. If our congress critters succeed in making sealing the border (with verification) step one then there will never be a step two.
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