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    Re: Dershowitz Decries ‘Kafkaesque World of American Justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The lawsuit against the government has been in the works with Doe #1 and #2 for sometime. It was brought about due to public outrage over the verdict. It wasn't till a newspaper in Palm Beach after over two years of litigation were able to get the sweet deal Epstein received unsealed that revealed things Epstein and his "friends" were hoping would never come to light. Doe's #3 and #4 have since requested to join the lawsuit. Before it gets to the courts there could be a #5, #6, #7. All giving evidence pertaining to different illegal activities. It is my understanding there are lots of pictures that were snapped of Epstein's "prestigious" guests with the under aged girls in their midst. It was revealed in the records from the Palm Beach Police department that hidden cameras were placed throughout Epstein's mansion at Palm Beach. His walls were covered with nude photos of under aged girls. Many of the same girls who gave sworn affidavits to the police of the activities that went on not only at the Palm Beach location but his, private island in the Caribbean, his ranch in New Mexico, his apartment in NY, his apartment in Paris, and on his private 757 that jetted his "friends" all over the world. So I don't think Doe #3 is being "suicidal" she is now the mother of three in her thirties and happily married. Her counsel is a former federal judge, prosecutor and law professor. I doubt very much he would be putting his name on the line like this unless he had undeniable evidence. Stay tuned......
    I think you have made a point here. Anyone who has any power of substance in this country knows who Dershowitz is and how he operates. I know that judge cannot be that big of a fool to do something like this and not have substantial backup. It would be very, very, foolish.

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    Re: Dershowitz Decries ‘Kafkaesque World of American Justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I think you have made a point here. Anyone who has any power of substance in this country knows who Dershowitz is and how he operates. I know that judge cannot be that big of a fool to do something like this and not have substantial backup. It would be very, very, foolish.
    Yes indeed it would be foolish. Who in their right mind with such accomplishments behind him would be willing to go after someone like Dershowitz, powerful in his own right. Harvard law professor etc. if he didn't have the goods to bag him?

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    Re: Dershowitz Decries ‘Kafkaesque World of American Justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes indeed it would be foolish. Who in their right mind with such accomplishments behind him would be willing to go after someone like Dershowitz, powerful in his own right. Harvard law professor etc. if he didn't have the goods to bag him?
    Yeah. If I recall right Dershowitz said one of us will not be standing after this!

    Let's see what happens.

    The thing is this, it's not only Dershowitz involved. It's Prince Andrew!!! Man, this is big time!!!!

    I don't know of a legal case of this magnitude. Has there ever been one of this magnitude in the US?

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    Re: Dershowitz Decries ‘Kafkaesque World of American Justice’

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    Yeah. If I recall right Dershowitz said one of us will not be standing after this!

    Let's see what happens.

    The thing is this, it's not only Dershowitz involved. It's Prince Andrew!!! Man, this is big time!!!!

    I don't know of a legal case of this magnitude. Has there ever been one of this magnitude in the US?
    It goes way past Prince Andrew. The names on the list of "friends" associated with Epstein include a former Senate Majority leader. Would that be Daschle, Frist, Dole ??? There is a billionaire Republican donor. Heads of state from a number of countries, including President Clinton. There are numerous scientists that have received the Pulitzer Prize award. Big name stars in Hollywood, and wealthy socialites galore. That is why the plea Epstein received by the state of Florida and rubber stamped by our federal government was sealed to protect his "friends".
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    Re: Dershowitz Decries ‘Kafkaesque World of American Justice’

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    It goes way past Prince Andrew. The names on the list of "friends" associated with Epstein include a former Senate Majority leader. Would that be Daschle, Frist, Dole ??? There is a billionaire Republican donor. Heads of state from a number of countries, including President Clinton. There are numerous scientists that have receive the Pulitzer Prize award. Big name stars in Hollywood, and wealthy socialites galore. That is why the plea Epstein received by the state of Florida and rubber stamped by our federal government was sealed to protect his "friends".
    Here's an article from the New York Times in 2006. None other than the police chief investigating the case says Epstein got special treatment. If that is so, Dershowitz is the person who is responsible. That goes to show you the extent of his power. Just look at the nature of those allegations. If you or I did those things, we would never get out of prison.

    Questions of Preferential Treatment Are Raised in Sex Case Against Money Manager

    The owner was Jeffrey Epstein, 53, an intensely private New York money manager with several billionaire clients. Months earlier, the stepmother of a 14-year-old girl told the Palm Beach police that a wealthy older man, whom the girl later identified as Mr. Epstein, might have had inappropriate sexual contact with her.

    In sworn statements to the police, the 14-year-old and other teenage girls said a friend had arranged for them to visit Mr. Epstein’s home and give him massages, usually in their underwear, in exchange for cash.

    Most of the girls, according to the police, said Mr. Epstein had masturbated during the massages, and a few said he had penetrated them with his fingers or penis. They identified him in photos and accurately described the inside of his home. Some recalled that his employees had fed them snacks or rented them cars.

    Mr. Epstein pleaded not guilty in August to the crime he was ultimately charged with, soliciting prostitution. But at a time when prosecutors around the nation have become increasingly severe in dealing with people accused of sex offenses, the case has raised questions about whether Mr. Epstein’s prominence won him preferential treatment.

    By the account of the police, they found probable cause to charge Mr. Epstein with much more serious offenses: one count of lewd and lascivious molestation and four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor.

    But instead of proceeding with such charges on his own, the Palm Beach County state attorney took the rare step of presenting a broad range of possible charges to a grand jury, which indicted Mr. Epstein in July on the lesser count. In Florida, prosecutors usually refer only capital cases to grand juries.

    Even before the indictment, the Palm Beach police chief, Michael Reiter, had accused prosecutors of giving Mr. Epstein special treatment and asked the state attorney, Barry E. Krischer, to remove himself from the case.

    In an editorial, The Palm Beach Post attacked Mr. Krischer, a Democrat whose post is elective, saying the public had been left “to wonder whether the system tilted in favor of a wealthy, well-connected alleged perpetrator and against very young girls who are alleged victims of sex crimes.”

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    That's deep stuff man.

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    Re: Dershowitz Decries ‘Kafkaesque World of American Justice’

    WOW! This may be the piece from the Palm Beach Post. IF those charges against Dershowitz are true, that would mean he was protecting himself. WOW!!!!! THAT IS DEEP!!!!! WOW!!!!

    Epstein: Undeserved freedom: Even his front group has been disbanded...

    Jeffrey Epstein's yearlong probation ends today. Epstein's punishment didn't fit his crimes, but that hasn't stopped the billionaire money manager who paid teenage girls for sex and massages at his Palm Beach mansion from complaining.

    As The Post's Jane Musgrave reported, Epstein whined to probation officers about the restrictions of his sentence. Yeah, he had it tough. During the first four months of this year, Epstein traveled nearly every week to his home in New York City or his private Caribbean island - with the approval of his probation officers. During the 13 months he served of his 18-month sentence - in the Palm Beach County Jail instead of state prison, where inmates with such sentences usually go - Epstein was let out on weekdays and some weekends as part of a work-release program.

    Epstein supposedly spent that time at the Florida Science Foundation, which he created before he was sentenced. State records, however, show that the business, which was supposed to finance grants, hasn't been active since September. The phone has been disconnected. Yet the West Palm Beach not-for-profit is listed as Epstein's place of business on his probation documents and on his sex offender registration.

    Epstein's soft time flowed from his soft treatment by state and federal law-enforcement officials after Palm Beach police first turned his case over to then-State Attorney Barry Krischer in 2006. Mr. Krischer gave the case to a grand jury instead of charging Epstein. The grand jury indicted him on two felony counts, solicitation of prostitution and procuring a person under the age of 18 for prostitution. Those charges accounted for one of as many as 35 girls, one as young as 14, who say that Epstein sexually abused them.

    The U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI investigated after allegations that Mr. Krischer's office wasn't doing enough. Instead of filing charges that would have led to more prison time, federal officials struck an unusual, secret non-prosecution agreement in which Epstein would plead guilty to the state charges, register as a sex offender and serve the 18 months.

    Spencer Kuvin, the attorney for the woman who was 14 when she first gave Epstein a sexually charged massage, said of his client, now 20, "Both the criminal process and the civil process just really disgusted her. She felt that he didn't receive anywhere near the punishment he should have received." His client, along with about two dozen others, reached a confidential settlement with Epstein.

    Mr. Kuvin said the system failed: "It's unusual that the U.S. Attorney's Office allowed the state to essentially plead out a single victim on a single charge and then essentially ignore the other 34 girls that were in the federal indictment. Where's the investigation for those girls? Where's the justice for those girls?" The system is done with Epstein. Bad as he looks, the system looks just as bad.

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    Re: Dershowitz Decries ‘Kafkaesque World of American Justice’

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's an article from the New York Times in 2006. None other than the police chief investigating the case says Epstein got special treatment. If that is so, Dershowitz is the person who is responsible. That goes to show you the extent of his power. Just look at the nature of those allegations. If you or I did those things, we would never get out of prison.

    Questions of Preferential Treatment Are Raised in Sex Case Against Money Manager
    That's deep stuff man.
    The name Michael Reiter, Palm Beach police chief, known to be an up and up guy by the locals who oversaw the almost a 1 year investigation of Epstein was another person that was trashed by Epstein's legal team ( including Dershowitz) along with the 40 under aged girls. According to documents it states those working for Epstein sent out people to intimidate the police chief, his family as well as anyone else associated with this case.

    Look, the sweet deal Epstein received thanks in part by Dershowitz that protected all his powerful," friends ", was not justice at all but very wealthy/powerful people able to sway the outcome and they were willing to destroy anyone who got in their way.

    You know some of these girls that Epstein had his procurers (six known by name) to solicit under aged girls for his pleasure and the pleasure of his "friends" were often from poor homes looking for a way to make money or they were run aways on the street just trying to survive.

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