Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 3456 LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 52

Thread: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

  1. #41
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Los Angeles area
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 01:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    9,868

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But isn't this the irony of our laws, cultures and values in America? We sit back and say, "Hey, I'm a private institution - be it a business or learning institution - I should be able to do pretty much whatever I want without government interference or public intrusion" and the one time said private institution attempts to assert its rights even on behalf of a specific religious sect it gets negative blow-back from it not necessarily from those who attend or even fund the school, but outside religious/political activist who see nothing but their religious ideology being tramped on and/or offended.

    Granted, the fed never got involved in this matter but the religious-Right sure heavily influenced the university leadership's decision to reverse its decision by threatening to pull private funding.
    There are a number of campuses which have earned a reputation as hotbeds of Islamist activity. I suspect Duke may be one of them. But private institutions like colleges would not be free to do whatever they wanted, even if they didn't accept a nickel in federal funds. Lending material support to a terrorist organization, for example, is just as much a federal crime if done by a professor or official at a private college.

    I support efforts by concerned Americans to resist and frustrate the efforts of Islamist groups to proselytize for the repugnant, thoroughly un-American code of shari'ah under the guise of the First Amendment right to free exercise of religion. These groups are as noxious as the German-American Bunds that were operating in this country as World War II broke out--dens of iniquity where all sorts of activity that threatens our national security is going on. Some people in these Muslim Brotherhood front groups have even been convicted of raising money and sending it to terrorist groups overseas under the pretext that it was charity for the poor. I saw one female from a radical Muslim group take the microphone during the Q&A period after a talk a few years ago by David Horowitz at UC Irvine. She began by attacking him and singing the praises of shari'ah and all things Islamist. She then urged everyone to attend, later that day on campus, a Nazi meeting on the menace of Jewry. I would like to see Congress pass laws restricting the ability of these groups to operate.

  2. #42
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Ummmm...perhaps it had something to do with a private university giving students enrolled their the opportunity to exercise their First Amendment rights on the grounds of freedom of religion, right to peaceful assembly and freedom of (expression) speech more openly instead of being relegated to the campus basement for prayer services (unless, of course, that's where every other religious sect on campus does it). Just a thought...
    No one was or is denying them freedom of religion, nor their freedom of expression, nor their rights to freedom of assembly.

  3. #43
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i will not engage in a semantic quibble having little to do with the events at hand

    the reality is duke moved in a direction favorable to the muslim students and then reverted to its prior position. a Politically Correct position, unless you believe that a pro-muslim position is the one that would be found dominant
    A politically incorrect position would be that Islam has a history of anti-education, anti women, anti Gay and spreads ignorance and poverty wherever it appears. The promotion of ignorance should not be the policy of any serious school or University

  4. #44
    Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Huntsville, AL (USA)
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 10:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    9,766

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well I'm sure there will be obsticals that need to overcome but activists, protests and having funding with held generally are not illegal.
    No one said it was. However, I am saying it's very hypercritical to be for one religious sect using the bell tower to announce prayer services but deny another religious sect the same usage bowing moreso to social pressures than standing up for equal rights under the law or even staying firm on moral grounds.

    They'll have to deal with the same things everyone else has to deal with. C'est la vie.
    Unless you're of the "right" religion. Then it's okay.

    Oh well. Life's a bitch.
    It sure is sometimes.
    "A fair exchange ain't no robbery." Tupac Shakur w/Digital Underground

  5. #45
    Noblesse oblige
    Ockham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    01-27-17 @ 07:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,909
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No one said it was. However, I am saying it's very hypercritical to be for one religious sect using the bell tower to announce prayer services but deny another religious sect the same usage bowing moreso to social pressures than standing up for equal rights under the law or even staying firm on moral grounds.



    Unless you're of the "right" religion. Then it's okay.



    It sure is sometimes.

    I tend to agree with your general point - but lets face it, wouldn't it be wonderful if all religions were equal? But then reality steps in and we know that all religions are not equal, just like people's preferences, biases all add up to things being unequal. Part of me accepts that and another part says it's unfair, but that is the human condition. Shall we artificially try to create equality and make everyone mad or just accept humanity, even it's warts?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


  6. #46
    Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Huntsville, AL (USA)
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 10:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    9,766

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one was or is denying them freedom of religion, nor their freedom of expression, nor their rights to freedom of assembly.
    Reading comprehension, big fella. I never said their First Amendment rights were being denied. I merely suggested that perhaps the reason Duke administrators granted Muslim students use of the bell tower was so that they could exercise their First Amendment rights more openly and I might say equally considering than Christian students reportedly have use of the bell tower to announce Sunday prayer services.

    If you're going to allow it for one religious sect on campus, you should allow it for all religious groups who request such use in accordance with their religious tenants. Clearly, you're not going to allow every religious sacrament to take place, i.e., human or animal sacrifices, but I find nothing wrong with allowing a call to prayer from each religious sect to take place as long as such is done within reason/acceptable tolerances.
    "A fair exchange ain't no robbery." Tupac Shakur w/Digital Underground

  7. #47
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,306

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    share with us what would have been wrong for the student muslims at duke university to be summoned to prayer on fridays by appeal from the university bell tower


    except pretend that they are being discriminated against by allowing another faith access to the bell tower used to summons Christian students to prayer on sundays

    for a gang who so strongly and loudly object to anything PC, y'all sure got your panties in a wad over this matter, now celebrating when PC prevails
    I don't get my panties in a wad like you, and I know you have the whole misery loves company thing going. Sorry to disappoint.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  8. #48
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Reading comprehension, big fella. I never said their First Amendment rights were being denied. I merely suggested that perhaps the reason Duke administrators granted Muslim students use of the bell tower was so that they could exercise their First Amendment rights more openly and I might say equally considering than Christian students reportedly have use of the bell tower to announce Sunday prayer services.
    "More openly" and "equally" is not mentioned in the First Amendment.
    If you're going to allow it for one religious sect on campus, you should allow it for all religious groups who request such use in accordance with their religious tenants.
    I don't see why. It is not a Muslims school.
    Clearly, you're not going to allow every religious sacrament to take place, i.e., human or animal sacrifices, but I find nothing wrong with allowing a call to prayer from each religious sect to take place as long as such is done within reason/acceptable tolerances.
    Well there are those who disagree and I say good for them.

  9. #49
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,148

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A politically incorrect position would be that Islam has a history of anti-education, anti women, anti Gay and spreads ignorance and poverty wherever it appears. The promotion of ignorance should not be the policy of any serious school or University
    insert 'evangelical Christianity' for 'islam' and get the same result
    it is not the religion, it is some of the practitioners of religion who should be found abhorrent


    there is nothing to indicate the muslim students at duke university have acted other than in an acceptable manner in the ways they practice their religion
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  10. #50
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    insert 'evangelical Christianity' for 'islam' and get the same result
    No, you wouldn't.
    it is not the religion, it is some of the practitioners of religion who should be found abhorrent
    Well these Islamic practitioners are in the news a great deal for a variety of crimes against human rights. Do we really need another list of recent Islamic atrocities in order to make the point?
    there is nothing to indicate the muslim students at duke university have acted other than in an acceptable manner in the ways they practice their religion
    Certainly, but they are part of a group which supports the discrimination of women, Gays, little girls receiving an education, public flogging or death for criticizing Islam, terrorism, and the list goes on.

    Rather than making ridiculous comparisons between 'evangelical Christians' and Islam, wouldn't it be wiser to actually take a stand and say that this sort of behavior by Muslims is unacceptable and that Muslims should clean up there own act before any public celebration of their faith is accepted?

Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 3456 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •