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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Saying someone is too stupid to get into Duke, isn't saying much. It's one of the hardest schools to get into in this country. Just FYI
    I also believe that it is one of the most costly as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Nonsense.

    I would hazard to guess that 98% of the backlash against the original plan came from folks who are too stupid and poor to ever attend Duke.
    This may well be accurate. Of course, 98% of the "occupier" crowd, who though probably very supportive of the belltower to minaret concept, could not get into Duke either academically or fiscally either.

    Heck, Duke's Law school as a median LSAT score of 169 https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/

    My guess is that the vast majority of professed atheists and agnostics in the country cannot turn in that kind of score. They must be a pretty stupid bunch- right?
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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    That depends on your definition of "PC". I define "PC" as being lefitist in origin. The right wing equivelent would be "reactionary".
    i will not engage in a semantic quibble having little to do with the events at hand

    the reality is duke moved in a direction favorable to the muslim students and then reverted to its prior position. a Politically Correct position, unless you believe that a pro-muslim position is the one that would be found dominant
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Could argue bit unfair if bells can be used on Sunday but the Muslim call to pray is not allowed. But ehh...bells not as overt so don't have an issue with it, unless they are broadcasting other groups prayers/etc.

    Still, as long as it's know what type of school Duke is, then you know what you are getting into. Why I looked at BYU before going "hell no."

    To be honest though, and really doesn't matter but still, if this had been the Mormons or Hindus or Buddhists etc. People probably would not have cared in the slightest, which is the b.s. part for me.

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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Stevie Wonder could've seen the criticism coming.

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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Good move by Duke. Why it was even contemplated is beyond me.
    Ummmm...perhaps it had something to do with a private university giving students enrolled their the opportunity to exercise their First Amendment rights on the grounds of freedom of religion, right to peaceful assembly and freedom of (expression) speech more openly instead of being relegated to the campus basement for prayer services (unless, of course, that's where every other religious sect on campus does it). Just a thought...

    Allowing one religion such a premiment status (were calls announcing the start of the Jewish sabbath also going to be broadcast? What about Hindu calls- providing there are such things) is clearly not uhmm..... "inclusive". Rather, it is divisive. The fact that Muslims were granted not only the ability to make such amplified calls, but were going to be allowed to do it from a Christian chapel is doubly insulting.

    I do think the Muslims deserve credit for being assertive though.
    See section of my above comment in italics.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    You'd really Have to "hype" it to call it "anti-semitism" since that term applies strictly to Prejudice against/hatred for Jews, Not Arabs and certainly not Muslims in general.
    While I get your point, I could see this issue getting blown way out of proportion especially in the wake of recent Islamic terrorism events in France. Even here in the U.S. anti-Islamic sentiment remain high. So, whether you call it anti-Semitism or anti-Islamic or anti-Muslim, the prejudicial views, fear and hatred are real.
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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The Muslim Students Association is a Muslim Brotherhood front group--the first one set up here, in fact. Its members can take their anti-American shariah and go straight to hell. I'm glad Duke pulled the plug on their effort to spread supremacist propaganda under the guise of legitimate religion. The First Amendment no more guarantees a right to promote shariah, a system of oppressive rules that is repugnant to all our laws, freedoms, and traditions, just because some Muslims believe in it as a matter of faith, than it has ever guaranteed a right to engage in polygamy, just because some Mormons have believed in it as a matter of faith.

    Here is a very informative site that explains more about the MSA and other MB front groups:

    A short course 16: Mapping the Muslim Brotherhood in America | Shariah: the Threat to America
    But isn't this the irony of our laws, cultures and values in America? We sit back and say, "Hey, I'm a private institution - be it a business or learning institution - I should be able to do pretty much whatever I want without government interference or public intrusion" and the one time said private institution attempts to assert its rights even on behalf of a specific religious sect it gets negative blow-back from it not necessarily from those who attend or even fund the school, but outside religious/political activist who see nothing but their religious ideology being tramped on and/or offended.

    Granted, the fed never got involved in this matter but the religious-Right sure heavily influenced the university leadership's decision to reverse its decision by threatening to pull private funding.
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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps maybe those who feel strongly about Islam should think about starting their own universities. That way, they can issue the call to prayer 5 times a day on their own campus without concern or repercussion.
    That is until someone learns about it and then calls on Christian religious activist to protest or threatens to withhold private funding. Then you'd be right in the same situation Duke finds itself in right now having to reverse your decision to allow students (of a particular religious sect) to openly exercise their First Amendment rights.
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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Good move by Duke. Why it was even contemplated is beyond me.

    Allowing one religion such a premiment status
    (were calls announcing the start of the Jewish sabbath also going to be broadcast? What about Hindu calls- providing there are such things) is clearly not uhmm..... "inclusive". Rather, it is divisive. The fact that moslems were granted not only the ability to make such amplified calls, but were going to be allowed to do it from a Christian chapel is doubly insulting.

    I do think the Muslims deserve credit for being assertive though.

    Wait a minute now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    - First, it is not a "university bell tower" per se. Rather, it is the bell tower of a Christian chapel.

    - Secondly, Duke was founded as a Christian religious college. So, not surprisingly, it contains both a Christian Chapel and bells apparently sound on Sundays.

    - Thirdly, Duke has already been accomodating to the "new reality" and allows a variety of faiths, including muslims, to use the chapel and has even hired an Islamic chaplain.
    So, if Christian student groups can use Duke's chapel bell to call Christians to prayer on Sundays, why is it prohibitive for Muslim student to use the same chapel bell to call Muslims students to prayer on Fridays?
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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    all those on the right suddenly applauding an abdication in favor of political conformity

    such a consistently principled bunch
    All? All those on the right? Overgeneralize much?

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    Re: Duke Cancels Muslim Call to Prayer; Cites Opposition, Safety.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    That is until someone learns about it and then calls on Christian religious activist to protest or threatens to withhold private funding.
    Well I'm sure there will be obsticals that need to overcome but activists, protests and having funding with held generally are not illegal. They'll have to deal with the same things everyone else has to deal with. C'est la vie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Then you'd be right in the same situation Duke finds itself in right now having to reverse your decision to allow students (of a particular religious sect) to openly exercise their First Amendment rights.
    Oh well. Life's a bitch.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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