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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

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    Its war,

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It's not symbolism, you have to take that area if you want to get into Donetsk. You also have to hold and control that area if you want to maintain a position of ATO in the area (staging ground). Cyborgs are a joke. Cyborgs who routinely were given R/R and given supplies. Ukrainians will believe anything.

    Runways can be rebuilt in matter of hours.
    Whom do you support? Can you furnish, dear prince,where symbolism does not matter?

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It's not symbolism, you have to take that area if you want to get into Donetsk. You also have to hold and control that area if you want to maintain a position of ATO in the area (staging ground).
    This is a DNR rebel initiative. It doesn't say too much when you don't even control the airport grounds in your capital city.

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    Runways can be rebuilt in matter of hours.
    For what purpose? There is no air traffic over eastern Ukraine. Besides, you can be anywhere in Donetsk/Luhansk in a few hours via vehicle.


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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Dude. Think clearly- life is real, including symbolism.

    It means things, period.

    Symbolism matters.
    Oh I agree. The Ukrainians view it as an American views the Alamo. The Cyborgs are their Alamo defenders.


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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It doesn't make it untrue either. A "report" is a possible new development awaiting either evidentiary confirmation or evidentiary refutation.

    Even you should be able to grasp this basic concept.
    Actually, it simply makes it nothing, as a "report" without supporting evidence is simply a "he said" i.e bs.


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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Whom do you support? Can you furnish, dear prince,where symbolism does not matter?
    Doesn't matter who I support. Tactically the area around the Airport is vital to both sides, Symbolism be damned. Symbolism matters only for propaganda purposes.
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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    This is a DNR rebel initiative. It doesn't say too much when you don't even control the airport grounds in your capital city.
    It's also a Ukr initiative as well. Ukr can't push any further southeast without creating a buffer and holding those ground with authority. They haven't done it from the start which is why both sides have basically had a Stalingrad type situation (obviously not as bad). Who ever establishes complete 100% control with buffer zone around airport will win this conflict at the end of the day. Until then..you'll see more of the same as it's been for the last 4-6 months around Donetsk.


    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    For what purpose? There is no air traffic over eastern Ukraine. Besides, you can be anywhere in Donetsk/Luhansk in a few hours via vehicle.
    If I ever start a rebellion, please be my opposition. Look at modern campaigns against insurgencies. Airports are vital in these types of conflicts, as it allows you to be more mobile. A convoy of vehicles are sitting ducks.
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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Oh I agree. The Ukrainians view it as an American views the Alamo. The Cyborgs are their Alamo defenders.
    LOL, the Alamo? Ukrainians need to know their history. Mexico owned Texas at the time, Texas separatist (White guys from US) wanted to establish the Texas Republic. Much like the situation in Ukraine with Russian speakers. So yeah.. 100% propaganda for the ignorant masses in Ukraine.
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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    If I ever start a rebellion, please be my opposition. Look at modern campaigns against insurgencies. Airports are vital in these types of conflicts, as it allows you to be more mobile. A convoy of vehicles are sitting ducks.
    Actually, I would agree here with Simpleχity, at current times the airport is useless for re-supplies or anything else aviation related, especially if you take into account the large numbers of anti-aircraft weaponry that both sides posses.

    However, besides the obvious propaganda role, its position has strategic importance and so far allowed Ukrainian forces to hold positions very close to the Northern parts of Donetsk. If the airport would be under a firm anti-Kiev control Ukrainian forces and positions in Peski and Spartak would be in danger.

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine


    Apparently there is a battle for one of the local bridges in donetsk. Armor is involved and the bridge is destroyed. Theres some brutal footage out there of the results of shelling the city. From what Ive seen, both sides have shelled it.

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