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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

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    The government's hold on portions of the Donetsk airport (Sergei Prokofiev International Airport) has always been tenuous as the airport in encircled. It is bit reminiscent of Stalingrad as rebels and govt. forces hold different floors in the same buildings. Government soldiers at the airport (called the "cyborgs" in Ukraine) have been entrenched in subterranean rooms and underground tunnels. If the rebels have indeed captured the entire airport, it would constitute an undeniable violation of the Minsk Protocol signed by both sides and Russia on 5 September 2014.

    There have been reports that the Buratino (TOS/TOC-1) MLRS has been sighted in rebel territories. Mounted on a T-72 tank chassis, the Buratino 24-barrel MLRS fires thermobaric rockets and was used in Afghanistan and Chechnya. Such a platform could only have come from Russia since it has never been in Ukraine's arsenal.
    There is footage of those MLRS being used-its no secret Russia is there (despite claims of "military exercises" that just happen to be nearby at the same time-ha) . Take a look at some UAV footage of the airport...


    Liveleak has footage of the MLRS strikes from ukrainian security cams. The have a very interesting and intense landing pattern. No wonder they are so fearful.

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The government's hold on portions of the Donetsk airport (Sergei Prokofiev International Airport) has always been tenuous as the airport in encircled. It is bit reminiscent of Stalingrad as rebels and govt. forces hold different floors in the same buildings. Government soldiers at the airport (called the "cyborgs" in Ukraine) have been entrenched in subterranean rooms and underground tunnels. If the rebels have indeed captured the entire airport, it would constitute an undeniable violation of the Minsk Protocol signed by both sides and Russia on 5 September 2014.

    There have been reports that the Buratino (TOS/TOC-1) MLRS has been sighted in rebel territories. Mounted on a T-72 tank chassis, the Buratino 24-barrel MLRS fires thermobaric rockets and was used in Afghanistan and Chechnya. Such a platform could only have come from Russia since it has never been in Ukraine's arsenal.
    There were also reports of the usage of Cheburashka...
    Now would you mind sharing something like evidence of Buratino being used or present in Donbas?

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

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    There is footage of those MLRS being used-its no secret Russia is there (despite claims of "military exercises" that just happen to be nearby at the same time-ha) . Take a look at some UAV footage of the airport...


    Liveleak has footage of the MLRS strikes from ukrainian security cams. The have a very interesting and intense landing pattern. No wonder they are so fearful.
    Can you share that footage?

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Can you share that footage?

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    I could not easily find it on live leak (4 pages in).

    Here is easier loot.... (it was fire captured on a security cam, on snow, in daylight). Imagine that this time of year.



    BTW-Ive posted on Ukraine for some time.... year at least. Whats your position? Whom do you support?

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I could not easily find it on live leak (4 pages in).

    Here is easier loot.... (it was fire captured on a security cam, on snow, in daylight). Imagine that this time of year.

    BTW-Ive posted on Ukraine for some time.... year at least. Whats your position? Whom do you support?
    These are Grad vids, not Buratino. And the one you've seen is probably this one, which is also a Grad salvo.


    This is how Buratino should look like.





    ...and regarding my support, well...


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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    These are Grad vids, not Buratino. And the one you've seen is probably this one, which is also a Grad salvo.


    This is how Buratino should look like.





    ...and regarding my support, well...


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    That was not it, though it was cold, and vehicles on a road were nearly hit. Kindly use the designated alpha numerics, and not your local lingo for the launchers-though Im fairly certain MLRS was the term used. The launches were not shown. I noticed you did not answer which side you support.

    edit-heres the video, amongst others...
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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

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    That was not it, though it was cold, and vehicles on a road were nearly hit. Kindly use the designated alpha numerics, and not your local lingo for the launchers-though Im fairly certain MLRS was the term used. The launches were not shown. I noticed you did not answer which side you support.

    edit-heres the video, amongst others...
    This is exactly the same place, just from another pov.
    (yours is a cam positioned on the checkpoint, the one I posted is a dashcam just before the same checkpoint)
    It's a recent case were a Grad salvo hit near a Volnovakha checkpoint caused 10+ deaths.

    I haven't used any lingo just the standard names for rocket launcher systems:
    BM-21 Grad
    TOS-1 Buratino
    As you can see there is a big difference between Buratino and Grad systems, hence I was interested to know where/when exactly you supposedly saw the Buratino system being used. Now after you found the vid - the hits in it are a result of a Grad attack, not Buratino.

    Regarding my views, well... I think I answered it pretty clearly with a pic of a Russian soldier on training.
    If you want a simplified response, I'm Russian and I support Russia and its right to protect its interests and future.

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Now would you mind sharing something like evidence of Buratino being used or present in Donbas?
    Do you ever bother to read? I said "There have been reports..."

    New York Times. Third paragraph from the bottom...
    Rebels Claim to Have Control of Ukrainian Airport

    From Ukraine. Paragraph four...
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    Вчера впервые по окрестностям поселка Веселое боевики открыли огонь из тяжелой огнеметной системы залпового огня ТОС-1 "Буратино" - оружия, которое производится исключительно предприятиями ВПК РФ. Также террористы неоднократно применили минометы, артиллерию, установки "Град" и другое тяжелое вооружение.


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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Do you ever bother to read? I said "There have been reports..."

    New York Times. Third paragraph from the bottom...
    Rebels Claim to Have Control of Ukrainian Airport

    From Ukraine. Paragraph four...
    NEWSru.ua
    sigh

    Do you ever bother to think or check the info before you post?!?
    There were and still are so many "reports" coming from each side of everything from deadly Cheburashkas to female snipers from the Baltics... if some statement is simply posted in a newspaper it doesn't make it true - is it really such hard concept to grasp?

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    Re: Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    There were and still are so many "reports" coming from each side of everything from deadly Cheburashkas to female snipers from the Baltics... if some statement is simply posted in a newspaper it doesn't make it true - is it really such hard concept to grasp?
    It doesn't make it untrue either. A "report" is a possible new development awaiting either evidentiary confirmation or evidentiary refutation.

    Even you should be able to grasp this basic concept.


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