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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    In your view, would you perceive the state ban on local communities providing their own internet to be unwise if not destructive of the principle of local governments being able to do what they feel is proper governance?
    Well, yes, that would seem to be the case.
    When it comes to federal vs. states rights, I'm much more for the state's right.
    When it comes to state vs. local community rights, well, then I'm not that certain anymore.

    It is rather concerning, given all that snooping can be done given this technology and how cheap it is to do so, that government, any government, would be in control of a broadband network.

    I think I'd like to see a lot more of these details worked out and documented in some sort of general principals of operation before I render a final opinion on this.
    (Yeah, I know. Seems like a cop-out answer, but the best that I can do right now, given the scant amount of available information - isn't it just a single speech from Obama at this point?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No they wont, because govt is 'free'. Unless your middle class in which case youll pay for Comcast, your govt internet which you dont want, and two or three peoples govt internet who cant afford it.
    Aside from assistance programs for the poor, when is government free? I can't think of a single government service I've used that I didn't have to pay for.

    I really don't think you've done your homework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Well, yes, that would seem to be the case.
    When it comes to federal vs. states rights, I'm much more for the state's right.
    When it comes to state vs. local community rights, well, then I'm not that certain anymore.

    It is rather concerning, given all that snooping can be done given this technology and how cheap it is to do so, that government, any government, would be in control of a broadband network.

    I think I'd like to see a lot more of these details worked out and documented in some sort of general principals of operation before I render a final opinion on this.
    (Yeah, I know. Seems like a cop-out answer, but the best that I can do right now, given the scant amount of available information - isn't it just a single speech from Obama at this point?)
    So it seems like you are at least sympathetic with the administration's plan with local public internet. However, when it comes to their proposed method, you either have not stated your opinion or you are truly caught in the middle.

    I appreciate that level of nuance that you brought to the table.

    Again, as far as monitoring is concerned, we have to put this into context. Under the current private-dominated internet, our government already is able to (and does) grab and store raw internet data. We are already being snooped on and our information is being stored in facilities for months on end. In the future, this could become an issue if we seriously start eroding the federal government's ability to grab and store such data. There is a serious issue of privacy and legal liability with public internet. By using public internet, does the user begin to forfeit ordinary expectations of privacy and distance from law enforcement?
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Why should a city not be able to setup it's own broadband? It is not forcing cities to create their own. It will add much needed competition to the telecomms industry.
    i agree.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well, there's reason to do so. The President is attempting to wedge the Federal government in between the state's prohibitive law of local ISP control.
    States that ban individual towns from allowing their own wi-fi/cable/fiber access are abusing their legislative authority. While not unconstitutional, it's only appropriate for a state to enact such a ban if there's a risk that the municipality's service could cause problems for other communities within the state.

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    But of course. I want broadband, but not Obama broadband.
    You'll like it. It'll have all the Muslum social networks.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So it seems like you are at least sympathetic with the administration's plan with local public internet. However, when it comes to their proposed method, you either have not stated your opinion or you are truly caught in the middle.

    I appreciate that level of nuance that you brought to the table.
    Well, thanks. Just trying to be reasonable and honest. Honest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Again, as far as monitoring is concerned, we have to put this into context. Under the current private-dominated internet, our government already is able to (and does) grab and store raw internet data. We are already being snooped on and our information is being stored in facilities for months on end.
    In the future, this could become an issue if we seriously start eroding the federal government's ability to grab and store such data. There is a serious issue of privacy and legal liability with public internet. By using public internet, does the user begin to forfeit ordinary expectations of privacy and distance from law enforcement?
    Primary suspect is the huge NSA data farm in Nevada, right? Yeah, not at all thrilled about that, nor thrilled that what should be private communication is being intercepted without warrant or FISA over sight, but then again, on a party line architecture, which the Internet really is, it's kinda hard to maintain any sort of privacy.

    "By using public internet, does the user begin to forfeit ordinary expectations of privacy and distance from law enforcement?"

    Party line architecture vs. expectations of privacy. Would it suffice for LEO restrictions from promiscuous looking / snooping without a warrant? Regardless of what the technical architecture was?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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