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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Since I've never argued about whether or not the isps had the right to lobby, you've reduced yourself to falsehoods. How much further can you drop? But fine, since you want to make this about rights, then it's the Federal Government's right to overturn those state laws. Bam, problem solved.
    Wow. It's like we are having completely different conversations here. You sure are good at talking but you're not worth a damn at listening. Post that in levels of stupid.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    For example.
    lob·by
    seek to influence (a politician or public official) on an issue.
    "it is recommending that booksellers lobby their representatives"
    synonyms: seek to influence, try to persuade, bring pressure to bear on, importune, sway, solicit, appeal to, pressurize

    pe·ti·tion
    1. noun a formal written request, typically one signed by many people, appealing to authority with respect to a particular cause

    1. verb make or present a formal request to (an authority) with respect to a particular cause

    Please, someone show others of the forum where it states in the US Constitution where it is permissible to lobby (pay or buy) to influence congress and their ilk. Don't cite the SCOTUS ruling in reference to Citizens United, it does NOT apply here.


    This is one of many reasons why lobbyists should not have any influence over elected officials;

    All told, seventy-nine former state officials, lobbyists, and others have been since charged in the investigation, and at least 76 have been convicted.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan

    Lobbyists breed corruption.
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    lob·by
    seek to influence (a politician or public official) on an issue.
    "it is recommending that booksellers lobby their representatives"
    synonyms: seek to influence, try to persuade, bring pressure to bear on, importune, sway, solicit, appeal to, pressurize

    pe·ti·tion
    1. noun a formal written request, typically one signed by many people, appealing to authority with respect to a particular cause

    1. verb make or present a formal request to (an authority) with respect to a particular cause

    Please, someone show others of the forum where it states in the US Constitution where it is permissible to lobby (pay or buy) to influence congress and their ilk. Don't cite the SCOTUS ruling in reference to Citizens United, it does NOT apply here.


    This is one of many reasons why lobbyists should not have any influence over elected officials;


    George Ryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Lobbyists breed corruption.
    You really do not understand that the First Amendment "Right" to petition the government "for a redress of grievances" includes lobbying?
    Wow!
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You really do not understand that the First Amendment "Right" to petition the government "for a redress of grievances" includes lobbying?
    Wow!
    Show us in the constitution where it says lobbyists.

    I specifically asked people not to cite citizens united (e.g. freedom of speech = money)

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Show us in the constitution where it says lobbyists.

    I specifically asked people not to cite citizens united (e.g. freedom of speech = money)

    Nobody quoted Citizens united.

    So again:
    You really do not understand that the First Amendment "Right" to petition the government "for a redress of grievances" includes lobbying?
    Wow!

    And whether you realize it or not, you can have anybody you choose to represent your petition to the Government. Duh!
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Nobody quoted Citizens united.

    So again:
    You really do not understand that the First Amendment "Right" to petition the government "for a redress of grievances" includes lobbying?
    Wow!

    And whether you realize it or not, you can have anybody you choose to represent your petition to the Government. Duh!
    Duh, I'm talking about lobbyists, since you need to be drawn a picture.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Okay, then you need to clearly navigate these facts for me, then:

    1) You don't support the government preventing competition.
    2) You support the right of the internet providers to lobby the government into banning competition.
    3) The internet providers did, in fact, lobby the government to banning competition, which the states then subsequently legislated.
    4) Ergo, the government prevented competition.
    5) Yet you still stand by 1) and 2)

    Work that out for me.
    Read up, there's pages and pages of answers.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    lob·by
    seek to influence (a politician or public official) on an issue.
    "it is recommending that booksellers lobby their representatives"
    synonyms: seek to influence, try to persuade, bring pressure to bear on, importune, sway, solicit, appeal to, pressurize

    pe·ti·tion
    1. noun a formal written request, typically one signed by many people, appealing to authority with respect to a particular cause

    1. verb make or present a formal request to (an authority) with respect to a particular cause

    Please, someone show others of the forum where it states in the US Constitution where it is permissible to lobby (pay or buy) to influence congress and their ilk. Don't cite the SCOTUS ruling in reference to Citizens United, it does NOT apply here.


    This is one of many reasons why lobbyists should not have any influence over elected officials;


    George Ryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Lobbyists breed corruption.
    We already posted where in the constitution its expressly allowed, however, if you dont think its in there, then the 9th and 10th apply. Its not delegated to the federal govt, therefore it is a right of the people. Otherwsie, show me where paying someone to petition govt is disallowed in the constitution. Furthermore:

    FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    Present-day legislative complexities are such that individual members of Congress cannot be expected to explore the myriad pressures to which they are regularly subjected. Yet full realization of the American ideal of government by elected representatives depends to no small extent on their ability to properly evaluate such pressures. Otherwise the voice of the people may all too easily be drowned out by the voice of special interest groups seeking favored treatment while masquerading as proponents of the public weal. This is the evil which the Lobbying Act was designed to help prevent. 16

    Toward that end, Congress has not sought to prohibit these pressures. It has merely provided for a modicum of information from those who for hire attempt to influence legislation or who collect or spend funds for that purpose. It wants only to know who is being hired, who is putting up the money, and how much. It acted in the same spirit and for a similar purpose in passing the Federal Corrupt Practices Act - to maintain the integrity of a basic governmental process. See Burroughs and Cannon v. United States, 290 U.S. 534, 545 .
    In which the Supreme Court confirmed that lobbying was a right, and that congress also had the power to regulate it narrowly.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You really do not understand that the First Amendment "Right" to petition the government "for a redress of grievances" includes lobbying?
    Wow!
    Mindblowing, isn't it? I gave up on the guy. You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Nobody quoted Citizens united.

    So again:
    You really do not understand that the First Amendment "Right" to petition the government "for a redress of grievances" includes lobbying?
    Wow!

    And whether you realize it or not, you can have anybody you choose to represent your petition to the Government. Duh!
    Duh, I'm talking about lobbyists, since you need to be drawn a picture.


    You clearly didn't read what you quoted.
    Let me draw for you a single line picture to help.

    Read what I underlined. Duh!

    Again:
    You really do not understand that the First Amendment "Right" to petition the government "for a redress of grievances" includes lobbying?
    Wow!

    And whether you realize it or not, you can have anybody you choose to represent your petition to the Government. Duh!


    Why you need to be told that that chosen rep falls in to the category of lobbyist is beyond me.
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