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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Okay, so you think that a person wanting to start out in business shouldn't just have to take the risk of competing with a more powerful company, but that they should also get in a bidding war with that company in order to gain the permission of the state congress to compete with that business. Is that what you're saying?

    You know, for the side in this debate most against government intrusion in business, they sure are picking the side of government intrusion a lot!
    You are conflating issues to the point where you are making no sense whatsoever. The right of the people to petition the government does NOT prevent competition. Everyone can petition the government.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You are conflating issues to the point where you are making no sense whatsoever. The right of the people to petition the government does NOT prevent competition. Everyone can petition the government.
    So answer the question then. Do you find it acceptable that a person wanting to start out in business shouldn't just have to take the risk of competing with a more powerful company, but that he should also get in a bidding war with that company in order to gain the permission of the state congress to compete with that business?

    Yes or no.
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So answer the question then. Do you find it acceptable that a person wanting to start out in business shouldn't just have to take the risk of competing with a more powerful company, but that he should also get in a bidding war with that company in order to gain the permission of the state congress to compete with that business?

    Yes or no.
    You act as though that question is pertinent to my comments and it is not. The fact that someone recognizes the constitutional right of EVERYONE to petition the government in no way can be taken to mean that they want the government to stifle competition. Just deal with that and stop tossing out red herrings about bidding wars and just deal with that very simple fact. That was what I was addressing. If you don't have anything to say about that, then just go find someone else to start a pissing contest with.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You act as though that question is pertinent to my comments and it is not. The fact that someone recognizes the constitutional right of EVERYONE to petition the government in no way can be taken to mean that they want the government to stifle competition. Just deal with that and stop tossing out red herrings about bidding wars and just deal with that very simple fact. That was what I was addressing. If you don't have anything to say about that, then just go find someone else to start a pissing contest with.
    It's not a red herring because it deals directly with the issue. Do you approve of what the internet providers did when they lobbied the state government to prevent competition or not? Do you feel this is an acceptable template for the future or not? This is about making your own position clear instead of the constant twisting and dodging you've been doing since you've entered the discussion.

    If you will not state your position, then you have no business being here.
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's not a red herring because it deals directly with the issue. Do you approve of what the internet providers did when they lobbied the state government to prevent competition or not? Do you feel this is an acceptable template for the future or not? This is about making your own position clear instead of the constant twisting and dodging you've been doing since you've entered the discussion.

    If you will not state your position, then you have no business being here.
    My position is that there is NOTHING wrong with lobbying or petitioning the government. You and every other citizen or business or industry or special interest group has that right. There was nothing wrong with internet providers petitioning legislators. The problem is if the legislators passed bad laws and that's what's in debate. Just because you pitch a tent outside your senator or representative's office and beseech him every chance you get to please, please, write a law to demand all registered repblicans get neutered for the good of the future of the country, you don't automatically get him writing it into a bill just because you asked for it or demanded it. If you don't like the laws, blame the legislators, not the lobbyists.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    These two words
    lobbying or petitioning
    have completely separate and distinct meanings. Stop scrambling words and splitting hairs.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    These two words


    have completely separate and distinct meanings. Stop scrambling words and splitting hairs.
    Go to the clue store and load up on them because you obviously don't have one.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Go to the clue store and load up on them because you obviously don't have one.
    That's all you can come up with?

    Please answer post # 312 if you think you can, a simple yes or no would suffice.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    That's all you can come up with?

    Please answer post # 312 if you think you can, a simple yes or no would suffice.
    I already dealt with 312. The fact that you do not understand that lobbying is constitutionally protected because it is, in fact, "petitioning the government" is your shortcoming, not mine.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So you support government preventing competition then? If you're confused how I arrived at that conclusion I'd be happy to do a step-by-step breakdown for you.
    Nope.

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