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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Here it comes, the first roadblock in the internet, setup by the federal govt. And a violation of states rights. The govt has no power to control personal communications, certainly not to tell cities that they cant make laws prohibiting govts from running their own ISPs. And Obama wants to make YOU pay more taxes for it.

    The result, much like with sewage, garbage, electricity, will be to drive private options out of business since govt can compete unfairly.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Um, okay. What are we talking about here, exactly?
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    In many markets, particularly small towns, there is only one broadband provider. A second provider, even if its a publicly owned one, is competition.
    on face value, it might seem you are correct.... unfortunately, it doesn't work out that way... you end up with with a cluster****.
    the private firm, in this scenario, turns into a subsidy queen... as it can now rely on government to do the actual infrastructure improvement and then capitalize off of them, provided the govt allows them to be competitive ( yes.. allows)
    ya see, there are no regulations or market forces that dictate pricing on the govt's part.... they can offer free broadband access if they so choose (which they will likely do for low income folks).. the government has no fiduciary duty to it's investors.. it is it's own investor.
    the only thing stopping the government from becoming that local monopoly is .. politics.
    oddly enough, of course, is the fact that if the government runs the ISP, it also can write it's own regulations pertaining to that ISP... it is under no duty or obligation to operate under the same regulatory scheme as the private ISP

    some of this may come to pass.. .some it if may not..... whether they do or not is completely up to politicians..not market forces, not economic health of the decisions, not being able to recoup investment, not having fiduciary duty.... simple political whim is all it requires.

    so no, it's not competition...it's the illusion of competition.
    competition is tough among private forms.. and it usually comes down to a matter of capital... the bigger fish can out-compete the litter fish.
    on all other basis, the firms are on equal footing... .they have the same obligations and duties and are held to the same regulatory scheme and subject to the same economic forces.
    none of this is true when it comes to govt vs private firms

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Why should a city not be able to setup it's own broadband? It is not forcing cities to create their own. It will add much needed competition to the telecomms industry.
    Because the gov't should only be a referee in the market, not a player. Giving the gov't a business means giving it the ability to pass laws/regulations that give it an unfair advantage.
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Here it comes, the first roadblock in the internet, setup by the federal govt. And a violation of states rights. The govt has no power to control personal communications, certainly not to tell cities that they cant make laws prohibiting govts from running their own ISPs. And Obama wants to make YOU pay more taxes for it.

    The result, much like with sewage, garbage, electricity, will be to drive private options out of business since govt can compete unfairly.



    Obama pushes broadband plan, critics see

    LOL!!!

    The outfit that brought you the NSA and the Patriot Act want to make sure that you have the best doggone communications system they think you deserve while making sure that you have no say in what YOU think you deserve.

    Classic.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This looks like a nation-wide infrastructural improvement. I'm not seeing the problem here.
    It's setting the gov't in position to compete with private businesses. That's a BAD thing. Yes, I know that the gov't has done it in the past and it was a bad thing then as well.
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    In many markets, particularly small towns, there is only one broadband provider. A second provider, even if its a publicly owned one, is competition.
    Wrong. If you can see the sky, you have your choice of multiple ISPs that can provide BB.
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    It's setting the gov't in position to compete with private businesses. That's a BAD thing. Yes, I know that the gov't has done it in the past and it was a bad thing then as well.
    Beyond ideological rhetoric I suspect you won't be able to objectively argue why this is a bad thing.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    I'm confused, Obama is a tyrant because the federal government is preventing state governments from preventing local governments from building broadband infrastructure at the behest of their local constituents?
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    This thread shows that conservative hate for Obama outweighs any benefit his proposals do the populace.

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