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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Read it people, this is the reality of the "Obama proposal"
    The reality if the proposal is to give localities a choice of whether or not to do this, not a mandate to do it. Once again, the statist conservatives want to deny people choices in favor of existing corporate monopolies.

    My city is deploying it based on the market need for it. They are not randomly trying to hook up everybody at once. We were never promised cheaper internet as part of the plan. It is primarily about attracting new businesses and jobs, and that is part of the equation and that has been happening in my area as we are seeing high-tech jobs trickling into a redneck town. In addition, the next part of the development plan to to create a supercomputing cyber park. Even beyond new bisness, I know someone whose company just switched over to fiber. They had no choice not to really. Their servers back up continuously to the cloud and that was sucking up their bandwidth and causing them connectivity issues.

    I realize that cheapskates do not want to spend a nickle if they do not personally see a quarter's worth of direct benefit, but this infrastructure is necessary for the future. The hoover dam was a complete financial fiasco, and then came WWII and without it there, we would have been up the creek had the extra generating capacity not already been created in the form of the previously useless dam. That is how these things work. It is very expensive. Ours is deployed underground to protect the lines. That takes a buttload of time, energy and cost as they have to trench and often hand-dig around existing infrastructure in the ground like water, gas, sewer and buried cables. All Obama is doing is trying to give these cities the option of doing it.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And my city did they opposite. They created the fiber network (profiting the mayor who was a consultant for the company who did the work), and then made a deal with Comcast that no one could use it. Thats goverNET for you.
    That's because you live in Florida the graft capital of the world. It's run by Republicans. What else would you expect from a State that elected the man who paid the biggest fine in history for Medicare fraud, TWICE. In Florida, bilking the Government means he is "smart".
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    The reality if the proposal is to give localities a choice of whether or not to do this, not a mandate to do it. Once again, the statist conservatives want to deny people choices in favor of existing corporate monopolies.

    My city is deploying it based on the market need for it. They are not randomly trying to hook up everybody at once. We were never promised cheaper internet as part of the plan. It is primarily about attracting new businesses and jobs, and that is part of the equation and that has been happening in my area as we are seeing high-tech jobs trickling into a redneck town. In addition, the next part of the development plan to to create a supercomputing cyber park. Even beyond new bisness, I know someone whose company just switched over to fiber. They had no choice not to really. Their servers back up continuously to the cloud and that was sucking up their bandwidth and causing them connectivity issues.

    I realize that cheapskates do not want to spend a nickle if they do not personally see a quarter's worth of direct benefit, but this infrastructure is necessary for the future. The hoover dam was a complete financial fiasco, and then came WWII and without it there, we would have been up the creek had the extra generating capacity not already been created in the form of the previously useless dam. That is how these things work. It is very expensive. Ours is deployed underground to protect the lines. That takes a buttload of time, energy and cost as they have to trench and often hand-dig around existing infrastructure in the ground like water, gas, sewer and buried cables. All Obama is doing is trying to give these cities the option of doing it.
    Yawn yawn yeah yeah, only Government can do it right, we have to invest blah blah blah kensyian bull**** and all that.

    Reality shows you're wrong. Obama touted the Tenn. Government ISP as an example of what he wants to see nationwide. Guess what? IT FAILED.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yawn yawn yeah yeah, only Government can do it right, we have to invest blah blah blah kensyian bull**** and all that.

    Reality shows you're wrong. Obama touted the Tenn. Government ISP as an example of what he wants to see nationwide. Guess what? IT FAILED.
    Ugh, that crap, hyperbole-filled article should have had "this message brought to you by Comcast" at the end. Essentially your argument creates the conclusion that a)municipalities shouldn't have electricity, phone or gas service because the government might screw it up (not that I take your paid-for hit piece at face value for an instant), and b)that it's perfectly fine for corporations to lobby government to ban competition and remove the rights of citizens to determine their own course. For all that conservatives and libertarians make noise about personal freedom and government tyranny, the truth is they go into full salad-tossing mode when they learn the source of that tyranny is corporate.
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yawn yawn yeah yeah, only Government can do it right, we have to invest blah blah blah kensyian bull**** and all that.

    Reality shows you're wrong. Obama touted the Tenn. Government ISP as an example of what he wants to see nationwide. Guess what? IT FAILED.
    Yada Yada Yada impatient people feed hater hate.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Yada Yada Yada impatient people feed hater hate.

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    Its not hate. Its a 6 year track record of Obama that you are ignoring
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    There is a lot of benefit in space travel, otherwise the private sector wouldn't be investing in it today.
    How much of that is to service govt contracts? Its same as saying Boeing is investing in aeronautics when they build fighter jets.
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    1) sounds like you guys need to elect better a District Attorney

    2) that is a local issue, not related to whether or not every city should or should not build the network. Those are local policy issues.

    3) Comcast really doesn't need fiber because they are starting to deploy gigasphere technology that allows them to get to gb/s speeds over the existing coax lines

    4) My guess is that your city allowed this because it is the fiber-coax hybrid system and Comcast already had the contract on the coax line.
    Its an example of why govt should stay out of it altogether.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its an example of why govt should stay out of it altogether.
    Ah Yes, the mantra of Floridians right up until the point a hurricane knocks their electric/telephone/cable poles down.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Ah Yes, the mantra of Floridians right up until the point a hurricane knocks their electric/telephone/cable poles down.
    We have plenty of progressives in Florida, yes.

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