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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    OK, and .... WHAT in Obama's plan is for the federal government to implement on a "product" level with respect to the link in the OP?
    We have yet to see the details, however there is already tax money going to specific products, namely broadband internet. According to the article, this is his chosen winner:

    Obama wants to expand access to broadband communications services, siding with local communities that want either to expand competition or provide municipal services themselves. To promote it, he announced that his administration will provide technical and financial assistance to towns and cities that want to improve Internet service for their residents.

    The White House also announced that the Commerce Department would promote greater broadband access by hosting regional workshops and offering technical assistance to communities. The Department of Agriculture also will provide grants and loans of $40 million to $50 million to assist rural areas.
    At the very least, the product is financing, consultation, and technical assistance, which the private ISPs currently pay for themselves (and also get some subsidies from the govt, which is also wrong).

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyotedelmar View Post
    $5.35 a month + $30 dollar activation seems a good deal, "basic" here is way more then that. Also, looked it up, and you can still get Comcast or Centurylink in Provo from what I see. Thus the current ridiculous activation fee (which the google deal is supposed to fix). So....how is it an example of either?
    Because it failed. They couldnt operate it at that cost. Which is why they gave it away. Would the citizens have supported it at the real costs of $50 a month, or $100?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    this post brought to you via TCP/IP which the government gave away to telcoms for free.
    Not free, the people paid taxes which funded DARPA, who then worked XEROX a private company. and then BBN and a couple universities (this info brought to you by wikipedia, which private citizens gave away for free). DARPA may have been the first ones to connect two computers together over long distance, but they by no means are responsible for the internet we have today. That has been almost 100% privately built.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    ...but... but.... OP told us the only unfair competition would be IF government got involved in the industry.

    how can this be?
    Isnt that exactly what happened?

    have been successful in getting laws passed against it. = govt getting involved

    You should get that stammer looked at.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Because his ODS has eclipsed his ability to reason.
    Hey guys Im right here, and the topic is over there. Stick to it or get out. Ad homimens are against forum rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I think part of the dispute is what assumptions people are making. I think if people assume the municipal broadbands will be like municipal water and you are forced to have it with no competition at whatever price they set, then you would see it as the government taking over the market. Like I have indicated, this is something my city is doing and it is the exact opposite. The city is creating the network, but anybody can access the fiber network to deliver their services, and in that sense, it is doing the exact opposite of what the former people seem to believe. We are not a huge market and I suspect that until the city finishes all the fiber we will not see a lot of competition off it, but eventually any company in the world could compete with any other company in the world to provide telephone, TV, internet over it up to the gig per second or whatever it is data capabilities.
    And my city did they opposite. They created the fiber network (profiting the mayor who was a consultant for the company who did the work), and then made a deal with Comcast that no one could use it. Thats goverNET for you.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Government did put a man on the moon, did it not?
    To what purpose? Thats government for you, waste hundreds of billions on something that doesnt matter, then abandon it.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    To what purpose? Thats government for you, waste hundreds of billions on something that doesnt matter, then abandon it.
    There is a lot of benefit in space travel, otherwise the private sector wouldn't be investing in it today.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Mr. Obama, in a speech this week in Iowa, called on local governments to get into the Internet business, even though the law in some states prohibits risky and expensive government-owned broadband networks. The president pledged billions of dollars to encourage cities to build broadband infrastructure.

    The prospects are not encouraging. Municipal broadband networks in Florida, Virginia, Louisiana, Vermont, North Carolina, Utah and Tennessee have cost millions and failed to make good on promises of quality service at low cost to subscribers. Under the president’s plan, time and money, and lots of it, would be spent to provide broadband service in places already well-served by private Internet providers. The president’s scheme won’t do much to help deserving and underserved rural areas get better service.



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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And my city did they opposite. They created the fiber network (profiting the mayor who was a consultant for the company who did the work), and then made a deal with Comcast that no one could use it. Thats goverNET for you.
    1) sounds like you guys need to elect better a District Attorney

    2) that is a local issue, not related to whether or not every city should or should not build the network. Those are local policy issues.

    3) Comcast really doesn't need fiber because they are starting to deploy gigasphere technology that allows them to get to gb/s speeds over the existing coax lines

    4) My guess is that your city allowed this because it is the fiber-coax hybrid system and Comcast already had the contract on the coax line.

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