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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Uhm... you really missed my point. No backpedel here bub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Ah, I see. Something like that happened here. We have Windstream, used to be Alltel and they suuuuuck. Their contract will soon come to an end, hopefully they are not allowed to continue without competition, but it is my understanding that they own the lines as well. We have a new recent option, fiber optic offered by the local power coop (which has outstanding service) but it is not all installed yet and paying to get it run in a rural area can be expensive. It would cost about $1300 (I checked) to have it run to my business from the nearest junction point, but it would almost be worth it to tell Windstream to go pound sand. Habersham EMC (the power company offering the fiber optic) is bar none the best utility provider I have ever encountered. I live a half mile from the nearest paved road up on a mountain ridge with a steep dirt road, when the power went out last year (and two years before that) during a winter storm they had a crew out in less than an hour, and that line only services our home.

    Anyway, I would much rather see competition between private companies and coops for utilities than having any government entity own it. Governments do not compete, and therefore have no incentive to be awesome.
    I actually have it pretty good compared to a lot of people. Being in an area with nearly a dozen choices my i.p. doesn't abuse me (that I'm especially aware of) and so I don't see red. This, however, does not describe nineteen states that have made laws making it illegal for municipalities to offer their own isps. With local governments offering their own isps private companies would have to offer something better than "godawful" at the highest prices. That's what competition does, and ultimately it's the consumer/citizen that benefits from it, just as I've benefited by having nearly a dozen providers to choose from. Simply repeating "government doesn't compete" over and over doesn't make it true because it's proven, demonstrably false.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I bet you still believe that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor...
    So you're reduced to trolling then. You're backpedaling because losing on one front you're trying to shift the argument to a completely unrelated one. Just admit you didn't understand the topic before chiming in and move on.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Goshin.... dont go there. I'll smack ya.
    try posting while sober.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    ALEC doesn't want municipalities to be able to run broadband services and have been successful in getting laws passed against it. Why? More money for the big companies. Because, competition is not nearly as profitable as monopolies.

    What The Media Needs To Know About Who's Fighting To Restrict Broadband Access | Research | Media Matters for America

    How ALEC Helps Big Telecoms Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | Benton Foundation

    How ALEC Helps Big Telecom Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | PR Watch
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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    ALEC doesn't want municipalities to be able to run broadband services and have been successful in getting laws passed against it. Why? More money for the big companies. Because, competition is not nearly as profitable as monopolies.

    What The Media Needs To Know About Who's Fighting To Restrict Broadband Access | Research | Media Matters for America

    How ALEC Helps Big Telecoms Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | Benton Foundation

    How ALEC Helps Big Telecom Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | PR Watch
    In addition...

    ISP lobby has already won limits on public broadband in 20 states | Ars Technica
    http://www.klgates.com/files/Publica...6/Coma1204.pdf

    The people coming out against Obama's proposal have no clue a)what the proposal is about and b)why it was created in the first place.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    ALEC doesn't want municipalities to be able to run broadband services and have been successful in getting laws passed against it. Why? More money for the big companies. Because, competition is not nearly as profitable as monopolies.

    What The Media Needs To Know About Who's Fighting To Restrict Broadband Access | Research | Media Matters for America



    How ALEC Helps Big Telecoms Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | Benton Foundation

    How ALEC Helps Big Telecom Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | PR Watch




    ...but... but.... OP told us the only unfair competition would be IF government got involved in the industry.

    how can this be?

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Lol media matters...
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    ...but... but.... OP told us the only unfair competition would be IF government got involved in the industry.

    how can this be?
    The OP didn't read his own article.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    ...but... but.... OP told us the only unfair competition would be IF government got involved in the industry.

    how can this be?
    Because his ODS has eclipsed his ability to reason.
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