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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In the same way that community college is 'free'.
    Enough with the silly red herrings. Do you think that municipalities should be unable by law to set up their own isp's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Enough with the silly red herrings. Do you think that municipalities should be unable by law to set up their own isp's?
    Of course. I am anti-socialism. But I also think the power to decide that is with individuals, not the federal govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I would argue we crossed that line somewhere in the neighborhood of 2005. At least that's when I became completely, unambiguously aware that not having an internet connection completely crippled any ability to do business. That laws were actually passed to prevent municipalities from setting up broadband is now no less unconscionable than laws preventing them from providing electricity or telephone service. Unfortunately there's a holdover of thought that still looks at the internet as a luxury or even a toy rather than a vital utility.
    So then change your states mind. You should not be using the federal govt to force your opinion on someone elses state.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Here it comes, the first roadblock in the internet, setup by the federal govt. And a violation of states rights. The govt has no power to control personal communications, certainly not to tell cities that they cant make laws prohibiting govts from running their own ISPs. And Obama wants to make YOU pay more taxes for it.

    The result, much like with sewage, garbage, electricity, will be to drive private options out of business since govt can compete unfairly.



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    Only in the mind of OP is the current standard one where "private business" (ISPs) compete fairly.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Here it comes, the first roadblock in the internet, setup by the federal govt. And a violation of states rights. The govt has no power to control personal communications, certainly not to tell cities that they cant make laws prohibiting govts from running their own ISPs. And Obama wants to make YOU pay more taxes for it.

    The result, much like with sewage, garbage, electricity, will be to drive private options out of business since govt can compete unfairly.



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    Broad ban is the same as electrifying and phones back in the 1930's. Everyone needs it, and it helps all of USA.

    Time to regulate the net, fiber optic to every home and allow ALL "content produces" equal access to the network for a small fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Only in the mind of OP is the current standard one where "private business" (ISPs) compete fairly.
    Thanks, this thread needed one more pointless post.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm confused, Obama is a tyrant because the federal government is preventing state governments from preventing local governments from building broadband infrastructure at the behest of their local constituents?

    you see, you have to understand the mindest:

    "He's both a secret Muslin turrist and a radical Black Liberation Theology Christian. He's also a fascist war-monger and a communist wealth re-distributor. He's a pussy who capitulates to foreign governments, and a wannabe Steven Seagal who brutally orders the execution of innocent people. He's a do-nothing empty suit who has single-handedly destroyed the country."

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thanks, this thread needed one more pointless post.
    feel free to rebut where you think my comment is wrong.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So then change your states mind. You should not be using the federal govt to force your opinion on someone elses state.
    As someone who stands for individual free choice I would think you'd support local governments setting up infrastructure if that's what their citizens want.

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    Re: Obama pushes broadband plan

    Would need to read more into it to really come down strong either way, but I'd say my initial reaction is tentatively open to this. If people in a local area would like their local government to set up their own broadband then I'm not sure I think the state nor the federal government should be denying them that choice. Much like I'm not exactly fond of someone from California telling me how things need to be to work best in my state of Virginia, I'm not sure I'd want someone up in Ashburn telling someone down in Roanoke how they should REALLY be doing things either. Different locations create a different set of issues and requirements that change the potential answers and pitfalls put before you.

    Where I would likely have an issue is if the federal government was offering assistance to these local governments in the form of tax breaks, loans, etc that are not equally offered to private entities attempting to create or maintain broadband in the same locations. I'm fine with local residents urging and getting their local government to try and create broadband infastructure. I'm not fine with the federal government coercing local governments to get into that business by offering them financial boons that are inherently absent for their private sector competition.

    Essentially, on first glimpse, I'd be okay with this if it's essentially prohibiting states from barring local governments from organically deciding to start their own local broadband services. I would have issues with it however if it is the federal government attempting to artificially, to any degree, spur the decision to take such action.

    Admittedly, part of me is conflicted based on my earlier statements about the diversity of locations and what's best for them. While I'm generally not a fan of states telling the local governments they can't do this...I'm not sure quite how much different that is than the federal government telling the state governments that they can't do what they're seemingly proposing to do.

    Definitely would need to read up a bit more on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well, there's reason to do so. The President is attempting to wedge the Federal government in between the state's prohibitive law of local ISP control.
    But Obama's framing it a certain way, and to some the notion that "reality has a liberal bias" is actual fact rather than a mindless idiom, and thus to frame it in any other way is worthy of condemnation. What Obama is doing isn't "framing", he's just stating reality. Its Fox and others doing the "framing" by portraying it in some way other than what President Obama declares it to be.

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