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China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city

Blue_State said:
Let me get this straight. You want to ban burqas because a French terrorist could attack someone, put on a burqua and then "melt" into a crowd? Has this ever happened? Is this even close to legitimate concern? I don't think so. Well comrade, let me tell you, this is the absolute worst argument. Cowboy hats should be banned in Texas or people can "melt" into a crowd after a crime.

You want to bring driving into this conversation? I don't think it is safe for people to be on the phone and drive, but they are. I don't think it is safe for people to put on makeup in the car, but they do. I don't think driving has anything to do with the ban. It is about stripping away someone else's identity.

Stand up for freedom. Do not cower to fear.

We shouldn't take away rights because of fear.
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This discussion is about China banning burqas. I never advocated the banning of anything. I merely presented a scenario where terrorists could utilize burqas in a negative fashion. Is that okay with you?
 
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The vast majority of people could identify this guy from 10 feet away with or without the hat.

Could you identify this person? Is it even a male or female?

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countryboy said:
This discussion is about China banning burqas. I never advocated the banning of anything. I merely presented a scenario where terrorists could utilize burqas in a negative fashion. Is that okay with you?
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Your scenario is a strawman and has never happened.
 
haymarket said:
There is a fundamental issue here which is at the core of what an open society is. And when I say open society I mean one in which people can move about relatively freely - more or less - and a wide range of activities and behaviors is open to them as legitimate and accepted.

That core issue is that people can be identified if they abuse the benefits of such a society. And when someone wears clothing which is intended to disguise their identity - regardless of the reason - it runs counter to the very principle that we can be open because we can be help accountable as we are identified if we do something improper or even illegal.
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Interesting. Not sure I'd say it's enough to justify a burka ban or whatever (I see very real merits on both sides of the argument), but what you say here cannot be denied for it's accuracy.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I think that was only for government employees and only while they were on the job.
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It was more universal than that. It banned face covering while in public.
 
Blue_State said:
Not sad.
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I mean, it's not sad, because I don't feel bad for them, it's just sad that we'd have to go against the constitution so blatantly. However, that would never happen under Obama. Obama refuses to call terrorism, terrorism.
 
X Factor said:
Interesting. Not sure I'd say it's enough to justify a burka ban or whatever (I see very real merits on both sides of the argument), but what you say here cannot be denied for it's accuracy.
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Thank you. And I suspect the way to approach this entire issue is NOT through the prism of Islam or radical Islam or their dress habits - but through the argument I presented. Its a winning position that goes far beyond the mere flavor of the day.
 
Good for China. Obama can't even acknowledge that Islamic extremism is the problem. It looks like the Chinese not only are prepared to acknowledge the threat but want to look it straight in the face.

Garion
 
Ikari said:
I would not support burqa bans. I mean, why would anyone want to do what China does? Commies aren't folk to look up to and to try to emmulate.
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But totally fine to do business with? And buy products from?

I mean really? Commies? :roll:
 
Garion said:
Good for China. Obama can't even acknowledge that Islamic extremism is the problem. It looks like the Chinese not only are prepared to acknowledge the threat but want to look it straight in the face.

Garion
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Well said. I agree. The muslims have passed the point of "There are some good muslims too!". We don't know who they are because the bad ones hide among them like cowards. Unfortunately for them, the world is getting wise. Profiling will happen.
 
So much fear. And the arguments you are using are the same arguments that are being used to get guns and rifles banned.
 
countryboy said:
What if the French terrorists could've simply donned burqas, and melted into the crowd? Is that a good thing? Do you think driving a vehicle is safe while wearing a burqa?
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... Why not just ban guns? They use guns too you know. Why not ban pants? They also used pants. An ski masks. Ski masks should be banned.
 
Blue_State said:
So that happened in France? I don't even have to go to your link to know that did not happen in France.

Read the context before commenting like that. Thanks.
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So you want us all to believe that your absolutist statement only applied to France? Weak.
 
countryboy said:
It was a hypothetical. Are you saying this could not happen anywhere? You are just arguing for the sake of it.
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And it was in response to my question of why ban a burqa. If you said Saudi Arabia, I would have agreed...they have identified it as a problem. But it still doesn't mean it should be banned.
 
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