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China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city

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China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city - CNN.com

Beijing (CNN)Legislators in China's far-western Xinjiang province have passed a law to prohibit residents from wearing burqas in public, state media reported, in a continued campaign against what authorities view as religious extremism.

The new ban in Urumqi was approved by local legislators last month, and given the greenlight by the regional legislature at the weekend.
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Is China ahead of the curve here? Breaking new ground? Or setting themselves up for more hatred and attacks?

Would you support burqa bans in your country?
 
The Irony in this ban is astounding. To counter Extremists who attack freedom of Expression, China bans a form of expression.
 
CMPancake said:
The Irony in this ban is astounding. To counter Extremists who attack freedom of Expression, China bans a form of expression.
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Yep. 100% ironic.

It's also a country/government doing "something" that's non-violent but also not just sitting idle and doing nothing.

We've all witnessed how a small group of idiots can ruin a good thing for many.

Perhaps, just perhaps, as more and more countries/governments start restricting things that really only effect the Islamic community, those in the Islamic community will start figuring out ways to real in some of their fringe fanatics. Maybe starting with some education about tolerating those who don't have the same religious beliefs?

And yes, again, the irony.
 
Good for China.I support the ban on burqa.It's obviously a security issue.

Can you imagine Hayat Boumediene wandering around wearing the burqa?
 
Dragonfly said:
Yep. 100% ironic.

It's also a country/government doing "something" that's non-violent but also not just sitting idle and doing nothing.
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And what is the punishment for not following this Burqa ban? Imprisonment, death? This is China we are talking about. Sure, China isn't going into Mosques with AKs and gunning down whoever is wearing a Burqa but this is threatening someone's right to express themselves. This is absolutely deplorable.

Dragonfly said:
We've all witnessed how a small group of idiots can ruin a good thing for many.
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No not really; the Catholic Church still enjoys being called a pillar of morality despite the fact the Vatican actively tried to sweep the massive amount of Pedophilia committed by their Priests under the rug. Not that the Catholic Church has had anyone form Terrorist groups or-- oh wait, the Real Irish Republican Army is a thing and they fire bomb innocent people. Quick, ban crosses!


Dragonfly said:
Perhaps, just perhaps, as more and more countries/governments start restricting things that really only effect the Islamic community, those in the Islamic community will start figuring out ways to real in some of their fringe fanatics. Maybe starting with some education about tolerating those who don't have the same religious beliefs?

And yes, again, the irony.
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You can't just reel in Extremism, it's just not possible. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Boko Haram, and the Taliban originated from places of great strife and war. Ever since Childhood all they've ever known is war, death, and that through their Religious beliefs and war they can prevent all of that. Your nearby Mosque in America has nothing in common with a group like ISIS. The Mosque nearest my home has never been firebombed, or hit with air strikes, it's never had to give away their children to become soldiers. They might have the same religious belief, but as far as the Taliban or ISIS is concerned, their is nothing the American Mosque or Muslim community could say to end their hatred and their violence.
 
CMPancake said:
but this is threatening someone's right to express themselves.
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So do laws against nudity in public. (in most places)

Is that "absolutely deplorable"?

Same with restrictions against Westboro Baptists and funerals.

Is that "absolutely deplorable"?

The burqa in China can be worn in private places. Like the home. The church (mosque). Expression isn't oppressed as much as it's limited.

You can walk around naked in your own house all you want. You can't go to the local shopping mall naked. Are you being denied your right to express yourself?
 
Dragonfly said:
So do laws against nudity in public. (in most places)
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Nudity and Religious expression are two completely different things. Don't be so dishonest as to say otherwise.

Dragonfly said:
Is that "absolutely deplorable"?
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No, it's irrelevant.

Dragonfly said:
Same with restrictions against Westboro Baptists and funerals.
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WBC, still has all the rights to preach their vile and their hate. Private Funerals can bar and have the Westboro Church counter-protested out of town.

Dragonfly said:
Is that "absolutely deplorable"?
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No one has banned the WBC from their first amendment rights. You're being ridiculous.

Dragonfly said:
The burqa in China can be worn in private places. Like the home. The church (mosque). Expression isn't oppressed as much as it's limited.
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Right, and the French Magazine publishers could have drawn anything they wanted as long as they didn't publish it, right? You're validating one form of persecution while condemning another.

Dragonfly said:
You can walk around naked in your own house all you want. You can't go to the local shopping mall naked. Are you being denied your right to express yourself?
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Again, nudity isn't the same as Religious expression. Quit trying to compare the two.
 
Did France ban the burqa a few years ago?
 
Why ban the burqa? Should they ban hats? Wristbans?

What attack has a burqa carried out?

I don't think I get the reasoning.
 
Blue_State said:
Why ban the burqa? Should they ban hats? Wristbans?

What attack has a burqa carried out?

I don't think I get the reasoning.
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What if the French terrorists could've simply donned burqas, and melted into the crowd? Is that a good thing? Do you think driving a vehicle is safe while wearing a burqa?
 
What? China doing something all authoritarian?
 
spud_meister said:
How many were wearing burqa's when they carried out the attacks?
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We trying to establish the specifics, and that's a good question. I think some of the terrorists like to wear their wive's burqas. :mrgreen:
 
Dragonfly said:
China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city - CNN.com




Is China ahead of the curve here? Breaking new ground? Or setting themselves up for more hatred and attacks?

Would you support burqa bans in your country?
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I can't wear a floppy hat or sunglasses in a bank. But I can where a burqa at the airport . . . you know, the ones with the secret inside pockets that hide AK47's.

Ban burqas. Ban all religious habits. Not going to happen in the USA.
 
countryboy said:
What if the French terrorists could've simply donned burqas, and melted into the crowd? Is that a good thing? Do you think driving a vehicle is safe while wearing a burqa?
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What if they could've donned mime makeup and melted into a crowd? What if they could've donned a hat and scarf and melted into a crowd? What if they could've donned hoodies and melted into a crowd? I guess you could come up with hundred of scenarios and what they could have done to melt into a crowd. It doesn't matter if it's a good thing or not, people should have the right to wear what they want to, without being indecent in public.

Now as far as driving while wearing a burqa:

 
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MaggieD said:
I can't wear a floppy hat or sunglasses in a bank. But I can where a burqa at the airport . . . you know, the ones with the secret inside pockets that hide AK47's.

Ban burqas. Ban all religious habits. Not going to happen in the USA.
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Because we have the 1st Amendment. :)
 
There is a fundamental issue here which is at the core of what an open society is. And when I say open society I mean one in which people can move about relatively freely - more or less - and a wide range of activities and behaviors is open to them as legitimate and accepted.

That core issue is that people can be identified if they abuse the benefits of such a society. And when someone wears clothing which is intended to disguise their identity - regardless of the reason - it runs counter to the very principle that we can be open because we can be help accountable as we are identified if we do something improper or even illegal.
 
countryboy said:
What if the French terrorists could've simply donned burqas, and melted into the crowd? Is that a good thing? Do you think driving a vehicle is safe while wearing a burqa?
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Let me get this straight. You want to ban burqas because a French terrorist could attack someone, put on a burqua and then "melt" into a crowd? Has this ever happened? Is this even close to legitimate concern? I don't think so. Well comrade, let me tell you, this is the absolute worst argument. Cowboy hats should be banned in Texas or people can "melt" into a crowd after a crime.

You want to bring driving into this conversation? I don't think it is safe for people to be on the phone and drive, but they are. I don't think it is safe for people to put on makeup in the car, but they do. I don't think driving has anything to do with the ban. It is about stripping away someone else's identity.

Stand up for freedom. Do not cower to fear.

We shouldn't take away rights because of fear.
 
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