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China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city

And it was in response to my question of why ban a burqa. If you said Saudi Arabia, I would have agreed...they have identified it as a problem. But it still doesn't mean it should be banned.

You're simply a contrarian, that's all.
 
China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city - CNN.com



Is China ahead of the curve here? Breaking new ground? Or setting themselves up for more hatred and attacks?

Would you support burqa bans in your country?

Hell no.

As much as I hate Islam, whenever I go out to walk on the boardwalk with my mom and I see the muslim family with the women absolutely 100% veiled head to toe (they must be hardcore I think to myself) I simply do nothing but respect their right to do that. Rights are important, a hell of a lot more important than anything we say.

So... Never, never ever never ever.
 
Not that the Catholic Church has had anyone form Terrorist groups or-- oh wait, the Real Irish Republican Army is a thing and they fire bomb innocent people. Quick, ban crosses!

You forgot to mention that the IRA are secular nationalists whose politics tend towards socialism. Are you sure the catholic church backs them. Can you post a source?
 
China's problem with terrorism has far less to do with the innate threat posed by Islamic radicalism and far more to do with the way it tries to viciously suppress the identity of its Muslim population.
 
But totally fine to do business with? And buy products from?

I mean really? Commies? :roll:

Friendly diplomacy? Trade? Sure, no problem. Adopting their styke of government or standards or laws? No. China doing something is no excuse for us to do that same thing. Communist states are even more Anti-freedom than the Republocrats, emulating China is not a good idea. Emulating any communist state is not a good idea.
 
China's problem with terrorism has far less to do with the innate threat posed by Islamic radicalism and far more to do with the way it tries to viciously suppress the identity of its Muslim population.
What has been vicious is the murder of Christians, Jews and those who dare criticize Islam. We can also look to any Muslim dominated country for numerous forms of repression, which are certainly not restricted to items of clothing. You want a source of the world's problems today, look to Islam.

The Chinese government is correct.
 
And what is the punishment for not following this Burqa ban? Imprisonment, death? This is China we are talking about. Sure, China isn't going into Mosques with AKs and gunning down whoever is wearing a Burqa but this is threatening someone's right to express themselves. This is absolutely deplorable.



No not really; the Catholic Church still enjoys being called a pillar of morality despite the fact the Vatican actively tried to sweep the massive amount of Pedophilia committed by their Priests under the rug. Not that the Catholic Church has had anyone form Terrorist groups or-- oh wait, the Real Irish Republican Army is a thing and they fire bomb innocent people. Quick, ban crosses!




You can't just reel in Extremism, it's just not possible. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Boko Haram, and the Taliban originated from places of great strife and war. Ever since Childhood all they've ever known is war, death, and that through their Religious beliefs and war they can prevent all of that. Your nearby Mosque in America has nothing in common with a group like ISIS. The Mosque nearest my home has never been firebombed, or hit with air strikes, it's never had to give away their children to become soldiers. They might have the same religious belief, but as far as the Taliban or ISIS is concerned, their is nothing the American Mosque or Muslim community could say to end their hatred and their violence.

Since when has there ever been a right to express yourself in China?
 
What has been vicious is the murder of Christians, Jews and those who dare criticize Islam. We can also look to any Muslim dominated country for numerous forms of repression, which are certainly not restricted to items of clothing. You want a source of the world's problems today, look to Islam.

The Chinese government is correct.

Adding to your point of Muslim societies being oppressive, it strikes me as funny that when a ban like this goes into effect, Muslims cry they don't want to be oppressed.
 
What has been vicious is the murder of Christians, Jews and those who dare criticize Islam. We can also look to any Muslim dominated country for numerous forms of repression, which are certainly not restricted to items of clothing. You want a source of the world's problems today, look to Islam.

The Chinese government is correct.

You bring up a good point. Look at the majority of countries where the Muslim ideology dominates the government and laws, and consider how oppressive and outright hateful those places are.

Muslim dominated countries are some of the most archaic and barbaric places on Earth.

Why should the free world cower to the thought of possibly offending muslims by restricting some of their "traditions", when those same muslims in their home countries wouldn't think twice about killing somebody with a different opinion?
 
Adding to your point of Muslim societies being oppressive, it strikes me as funny that when a ban like this goes into effect, Muslims cry they don't want to be oppressed.
Apparently this 'oppression' only moves in one direction.
 
You bring up a good point. Look at the majority of countries where the Muslim ideology dominates the government and laws, and consider how oppressive and outright hateful those places are.

Muslim dominated countries are some of the most archaic and barbaric places on Earth.

Why should the free world cower to the thought of possibly offending muslims by restricting some of their "traditions", when those same muslims in their home countries wouldn't think twice about killing somebody with a different opinion?

Theocracy is bad, this is known. The Christian theocracies of days last were no better. But the West eventually moved towards secular government and freedom of religion. And that's where we sit. I'm not going to sell out our roots and beliefs because some folk are afraid of a burka.
 
You bring up a good point. Look at the majority of countries where the Muslim ideology dominates the government and laws, and consider how oppressive and outright hateful those places are.

Muslim dominated countries are some of the most archaic and barbaric places on Earth.

Why should the free world cower to the thought of possibly offending muslims by restricting some of their "traditions", when those same muslims in their home countries wouldn't think twice about killing somebody with a different opinion?
That's an argument many people prefer to avoid, though it's logic is unquestionable.
 
Theocracy is bad, this is known. The Christian theocracies of days last were no better. But the West eventually moved towards secular government and freedom of religion. And that's where we sit. I'm not going to sell out our roots and beliefs because some folk are afraid of a burka.
Oh Wow! Not back to the Christians again!!
 
You bring up a good point. Look at the majority of countries where the Muslim ideology dominates the government and laws, and consider how oppressive and outright hateful those places are.

Muslim dominated countries are some of the most archaic and barbaric places on Earth.

Why should the free world cower to the thought of possibly offending muslims by restricting some of their "traditions", when those same muslims in their home countries wouldn't think twice about killing somebody with a different opinion?

YES! If you've gone to the ME, you will realize that same notion first hand.
 
I'm not going to sell out our roots and beliefs because some folk are afraid of a burka.

I think the burqa thing is more of a symbolic thing than a tangible thing.

Just like the support for Charlie Hebdo. Nobody really f'n cares about the cartoons themselves, what they care about is the rights for people to do something non-violent and not get killed for it.

I think these things are kind of saying "we're not going to allow your beliefs to bully us into submission" and in some respects, "now you've pushed too far and we're going to start pushing back".

A Catholic drawing a picture of Muhammed should not incite a Muslim to violence any more than a Muslim eating fish on Friday should incite a Catholic.

All things considered, I think the majority of the world is getting sick of tip-toeing around the Muslim ideology. So in some places they are taking action.

The burqa ban may indeed work against the Chinese in that it may bring MORE violence to the region. We'll have to sit back and watch.
 
Oh Wow! Not back to the Christians again!!

It's not quite back to Christian, just Pointing out that theocracy in general is bad and produces bad things. Of course Islamic theocracies are going to be bad and horrible places. Theocracies are bad and horrible places.

Sad that needs explanation.
 
The burqa ban may indeed work against the Chinese in that it may bring MORE violence to the region. We'll have to sit back and watch.
I doubt the Cghinese will be as acceptive of Islamic violence as the West.
 
You forgot to mention that the IRA are secular nationalists whose politics tend towards socialism. Are you sure the catholic church backs them. Can you post a source?

I am never made the claim the Catholic Church backed or ever supported the IRA. However it is a fact that for a long time the Irish Republican Army were Christian extremists. Are you claiming this is not the case?
 
Oh, the humanity! Is there no end to intolerance? I'm still losing sleep over the fact this horrible country ("land of the free"--that's rich) banned the singing or playing of "Deutschland Uber Alles" when it occupied Germany after WWII. Since when should demonstrations of supremacy by fanatics not be tolerated--even praised--as an affirmation of how wonderful diversity is? I think Mr. B. Hussein Obama, to show his solidarity, should immediately pledge not to borrow one more cent from that bigoted government in Beijing.
 
I am never made the claim the Catholic Church backed or ever supported the IRA. However it is a fact that for a long time the Irish Republican Army were Christian extremists. Are you claiming this is not the case?

Though Christian extremists do exist, and some have been Catholic, the IRA is a very bad example. Rather, the IRA were secular nationalists first, quasi socialists second, and religously Catholic a very, very distant third.

IF you want to give a good example of Catholic extremists, cite the Falangist movement of Franco's Spain. But.... it is also fair to mention that the progressives in the Spanish Civil war also committed alot of atrocities.
 
Did France ban the burqa a few years ago?

France did ban the wearing of it in public but the law also applied to masks and any other sort of face covering. This Chinese law seems to only include burqas.
 
I'd lean towards yes in countries with large muslim populations. Not only is it essentially a disguise, it also has deeply misogynst roots.
 
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China seems to assert its oppression at the cost of the religious one. Its just showing which form of oppression is boss in China. Switching oppressions would not do neither.

What is required is growing from oppression and living with greater consciousness in freedom instead.
 
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