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Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

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(Reuters) - The Pentagon transferred five Yemenis held at Guantanamo prison to foreign custody on Wednesday in the first handover of detainees in 2015, sending four to Oman and one to Estonia despite Republican calls for a moratorium on the resettlements.
U.S. officials said all five Yemenis, held for a dozen or more years at the U.S. military prison in Cuba, had been cleared for release nearly five years ago by a multi-agency task force that included intelligence, diplomatic and military officials.
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Cleared for 5 years and finally being handed over. This has been long overdue and this facility closing is also long overdue. Keep this up!
 
You know what's long overdue?




Carpet bombing governments that so clearly support and find terrorism.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Cleared for 5 years and finally being handed over. This has been long overdue and this facility closing is also long overdue. Keep this up![/FONT][/COLOR]
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When you say about time. Do you have any idea what landed these folks in prison? The article does not say.

Funny that the same people who call putting people in a POW camp are inhumane while applaud drone strikes that kill the same type of people along with their families.
 
washunut said:
When you say about time. Do you have any idea what landed these folks in prison? The article does not say.
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They have been cleared for release. Does not matter "what landed you there". Hell being a brown taxi driver in the middle east landed someone there..

Funny that the same people who call putting people in a POW camp are inhumane while applaud drone strikes that kill the same type of people along with their families.
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Im not cheering any drone strikes.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
They have been cleared for release. Does not matter "what landed you there". Hell being a brown taxi driver in the middle east landed someone there..


Im not cheering any drone strikes.
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I agree that some have been jailed by mistake. Those folks should be freed. If these guys fall into that category no problem, if they killed American soldiers that is something different. Seems like neither of us knows what these folks did, and how people figured out it was time for them to leave.
 
washunut said:
I agree that some have been jailed by mistake. Those folks should be freed. If these guys fall into that category no problem, if they killed American soldiers that is something different. Seems like neither of us knows what these folks did, and how people figured out it was time for them to leave.
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2 are self proclaimed jihadis. 2 are "possible members". 1 is "assed to be a member of Al-Qaeda".
 
TheDemSocialist said:
2 are self proclaimed jihadis. 2 are "possible members". 1 is "assed to be a member of Al-Qaeda".
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Ok so here is the hard part, at least for me. It is pretty well established that most of the time POWs do not get released until the end of a war. Sadly we are fighting a stateless war, so it can go on forever. That being the case I guess I could argue either side. Since this is a debate site I will go with the 3 who are members of the enemy should not be released. Harsh, but even in our courts there are some people who if they do a serious enough crime get life in jail as long as they are not minors. Some minors may even be treated that way. Another debate, but I have a hard time with that.
 
washunut said:
Ok so here is the hard part, at least for me. It is pretty well established that most of the time POWs do not get released until the end of a war. Sadly we are fighting a stateless war, so it can go on forever. That being the case I guess I could argue either side. Since this is a debate site I will go with the 3 who are members of the enemy should not be released. Harsh, but even in our courts there are some people who if they do a serious enough crime get life in jail as long as they are not minors. Some minors may even be treated that way. Another debate, but I have a hard time with that.
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A lot of these prisoners are just not let go free. Most of the time they are given to authorities. Very few are let go and to be free without restrictions. Most are let go with restrictions, be it surveillance, or actual prison itself.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
A lot of these prisoners are just not let go free. Most of the time they are given to authorities. Very few are let go and to be free without restrictions. Most are let go with restrictions, be it surveillance, or actual prison itself.
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While I understand the words you wrote, hard to conceive the concept really works. We give a lot more than 12 years to a soldier who hands over embarrassing documents. If Obama was allowed to have these folks go to Federal court they would probably get life without parole. Lets face it, this is about closing the prison in Cuba not about what makes sense.
 
washunut said:
When you say about time. Do you have any idea what landed these folks in prison? The article does not say.

Funny that the same people who call putting people in a POW camp are inhumane while applaud drone strikes that kill the same type of people along with their families.
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Do you?

Is there actual evidence of a crime?

Or was there some hearsay that these guys once passed so other "terrorist suspects" on the street. The truth is you do not know, and neither does anyone else on this forum.

As to convicting without proof as you have done, you reverse the burden of proof from the Anglo-Franco "innocent until proven otherwise" to the "Arabic standard of guilty until proven innocent.

So, I do not see how, in any kind of reason or good conscience deliberately reverse the standard of proof and demand of those cheering this that they somehow offer some kind of evidence of the "crimes" these people are "reported" to have done, abandoning the democratic principle of onus of proof.

I mean did the terrorists win and we do things their way or do we show some intestinal fortitude and stand by the basic democratic principles of which the US CLAIMS to be about? If so, try these people in a court of law, or let them go with financial compensation for the illegal detainment they have suffered.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

Cleared for 5 years and finally being handed over. This has been long overdue and this facility closing is also long overdue. Keep this up![/FONT][/COLOR]
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Way, way overdue.

I mean Obama said he would shut down this illegal [condemned by the UN] concentration camp starting seven years ago.

just how do you preserve and hold safe democracy by abandoning the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty?
 
washunut said:
While I understand the words you wrote, hard to conceive the concept really works. We give a lot more than 12 years to a soldier who hands over embarrassing documents. If Obama was allowed to have these folks go to Federal court they would probably get life without parole. Lets face it, this is about closing the prison in Cuba not about what makes sense.
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The thing is if we let them go to federal court we would have to give them the same rights US citizens get, but thats kinda hard to give them the same rights to someone who spent 10+ years denying those rights.... Hell thats the whole purpose of Guantanamo
 
TheDemSocialist said:
2 are self proclaimed jihadis. 2 are "possible members". 1 is "assed to be a member of Al-Qaeda".
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curious where you got that info from? I have been searching various sites - all I got was they were considered "not high risk" (my words)

if you have any info/links it would be greatly appreciated if you'd post it -thanks
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The thing is if we let them go to federal court we would have to give them the same rights US citizens get, but thats kinda hard to give them the same rights to someone who spent 10+ years denying those rights.... Hell thats the whole purpose of Guantanamo
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I do agree there should be some kina trial. I'm not crazy about releasing Yemeni right now ( even to Oman/Estonia) ,,if you get that idea.
 
annata said:
curious where you got that info from? I have been searching various sites - all I got was they were considered "not high risk" (my words)

if you have any info/links it would be greatly appreciated if you'd post it -thanks
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Wikileaks in their GITMO leak.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
They have been cleared for release. Does not matter "what landed you there". Hell being a brown taxi driver in the middle east landed someone there..


Im not cheering any drone strikes.
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That's OK. I am. I'll do it twice to make up for you.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
A lot of these prisoners are just not let go free. Most of the time they are given to authorities. Very few are let go and to be free without restrictions. Most are let go with restrictions, be it surveillance, or actual prison itself.
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LOL. Do you believe what you write?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Do you?

Is there actual evidence of a crime?

Or was there some hearsay that these guys once passed so other "terrorist suspects" on the street. The truth is you do not know, and neither does anyone else on this forum.

As to convicting without proof as you have done, you reverse the burden of proof from the Anglo-Franco "innocent until proven otherwise" to the "Arabic standard of guilty until proven innocent.

So, I do not see how, in any kind of reason or good conscience deliberately reverse the standard of proof and demand of those cheering this that they somehow offer some kind of evidence of the "crimes" these people are "reported" to have done, abandoning the democratic principle of onus of proof.

I mean did the terrorists win and we do things their way or do we show some intestinal fortitude and stand by the basic democratic principles of which the US CLAIMS to be about? If so, try these people in a court of law, or let them go with financial compensation for the illegal detainment they have suffered.
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Do you believe this is a criminal matter? If so you will always get the wrong answer.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Way, way overdue.

I mean Obama said he would shut down this illegal [condemned by the UN] concentration camp starting seven years ago.

just how do you preserve and hold safe democracy by abandoning the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty?
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Unlawful combatants may be war criminals. They are not protected by the US Constitution or most of the Geneva Conventions.

I would be willing to try them before military tribunals followed by a rapid execution upon conviction.
 
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