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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is terror that's increasing and will continue n that direction until it is stopped.
    "The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." Indeed, among the five countries accounting for the bulk of attacks, the U.S. has prosecuted lengthy ground wars in two (Iraq and Afghanistan), a drone campaign in one (Pakistan), and airstrikes in a fourth (Syria)."
    After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post


    Any ideas on how to combat international terrorism?
    Yea. Stop taking actions that only increase international terrorism.


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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." Indeed, among the five countries accounting for the bulk of attacks, the U.S. has prosecuted lengthy ground wars in two (Iraq and Afghanistan), a drone campaign in one (Pakistan), and airstrikes in a fourth (Syria)."
    After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post
    With no mention at all of Obama pulling the troops from a "stable" Iraq? How can you take that seriously?
    Yea. Stop taking actions that only increase international terrorism.
    When do you suppose Islamic terrorism began?

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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh wow... How you came to this conclusion is beyond me.
    OK, Why did you mention the color of the man's skin?

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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    More terrorist attacks happen when you are fighting a "war on terror". More people join terrorist groups when you are fighting a "war on terror". Sounds like this is never gonna end. Sound like our little "War" here is actually increasing terror.
    Judging by the past, crime never stops, but sometimes peters out. You can only contain and fight it.

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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    With no mention at all of Obama pulling the troops from a "stable" Iraq? How can you take that seriously?
    Because: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq. This created large power vacuums in the country allowing diferent factions to surface and become violent. Despite the fact that a government was formed and elections held, the country and region has been unstable ever since. In 2006 Nouri al-Maliki was appointed Prime Minister of Iraq. In the following year amid sectarian tensions Iraq sufered the worst year of terrorist activity recorded since 2000. It was only in 2013 with the rise of ISIL that Iraq sufered this same level of terrorism again."

    --Despite Obama's rhetoric that Iraq was "stable" it was in fact not stable. It has been unstable since the invasion. The invasion created power vacuums and openings for radical groups to gain strength and in some aspects become popular. One of these groups that surfaced was Al-Qaeda in Iraq which later split to become ISIS. The "Obama pull out" of Iraq (which actually was more of Obama trying to keep troops in Iraq, which Maliliki, the US public, and the Iraqi government all saying a collective "no"). But to argue all we needed was to leave 5,000 (which Obama wanted), or even 3,000 (which others suggested) would of been enough to somehow stop the rise of ISIS in Iraq, to that I shall share what the Ambassador of Iraq from 2010-2012 said, " But the common argument that U.S. troops could have produced different Iraqi political outcomes is hogwash. The Iraqi sectarian divides, which ISIS exploited, run deep and were not susceptible to permanent remedy by our troops at their height, let alone by 5,000 trainers under Iraqi restraints." Max Boot: Obama's Tragic Iraq Withdrawal - WSJ

    And as General Wesley Clark said: "I don’t think that keeping a few thousand troops in Iraq would have stopped ISIS. And it wouldn’t have fixed the Iraqi forces. " http://radio.foxnews.com/2014/10/11/...-a-difference/

    When do you suppose Islamic terrorism began?
    When? No idea. When do you think it began?


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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    From what I'm reading, it's too hard to track. They go back to the "UFA" style of communication (using word of mouth and no electronics) making them impossible to trace.
    Where are you "reading" this?


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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Where are you "reading" this?



    Okie dokie
    The Road to Guantanamo (2006) on Netflix. Pretty boring doc. if you ask me, but you get to see the lives of the prisoners. Listen to what they yell out during the entire movie. Not very reassuring that they won't return to terrorism...

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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    OK, Why did you mention the color of the man's skin?
    Because I felt it necessary to prove my point. If we were rounding up people based on they "might be terrorists" based on an incredibly vague profile. Do you need to be reminded that after 9/11 the massive amount of Muslim men and Arab immigrants who were held for extremely long periods of times with no charges against them?


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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    The Road to Guantanamo (2006) on Netflix. Pretty boring doc. if you ask me, but you get to see the lives of the prisoners. Listen to what they yell out during the entire movie. Not very reassuring that they won't return to terrorism...
    Ive seen it before. Its a docu-drama. I dont recall what scene you are talking about.


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    Re: Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Capitulation to terrorism is a much better option.
    Capitulation? Saying I'm against this "war on terror", is not saying "well we should never ever use some sort of violence against a terrorist group". I do believe sometimes violence is justified. I was against sending troops to Afghanistan. However I was in favor of selective strikes at Al-Qaeda targets/camps in Afghanistan. I was 100% against the Iraq war.


    However I think part of this report sums it up perfectly on what should be done:
    "Firstly, by setting national security above human security objectives the West has – whether directly or through proxies— too frequently responded to the threat of ‘terrorism’ with the use of violence. Such violence has, all too often, been indiscriminate, and has had a tendency to exacerbate conflict dynamics rather than contribute to sustainable peace. Secondly, counter-terrorism eforts and related actions taken under the label of ‘stabilisation’ and ‘statebuilding’ have often failed to address drivers of conflict in meaningful ways. In fact, they often clumsily reinforce the most serious drivers of conflict – especially patterns of abusive and exclusive governance and corruption. Thirdly, the Western response has typically neglected to focus on sustainable solutions to conflict that involve and respond to the concerns, priorities and potentials of conflict-afected people in constructive ways.....

    In particular, military force should not be used simply to demonstrate the resolve or power to retaliate in response to violent provocation—indeed, military responses of this kind often play into the intentions of ‘terrorists’.

    Significant eforts are also needed to strengthen adherence to international humanitarian and human rights law by international actors and those they co-operate with: torture and indiscriminate
    use of violence are not only wrong in principle – they also deepen the grievances that can fuel violence and make sustainable peace much harder to achieve. Demonstrating full accountability for irresponsible use of force and abuses that have taken place is vital to eforts to minimise grievances."
    http://www.visionofhumanity.org/site...ort%202014.pdf


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