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    Church fires unwed pregant employee

    If legal action is taken, this one could well go to the Supreme Court:

    Mom-to-be claims she was fired from Baptist church for not scheduling wedding date | Fox News

    Earlier, SCOTUS rebuked Obama's attempts to have these terminations automatically reviewable by the government 9-0 (Tabor Lutheran vs EEOC). But, some justices also said the ministerial exemption, though broad, is not all encompassing. They then welcomed further cases.

    In this case, the woman is a day care worker, a position that may, or may not be considered "ministerial". In my opinion, if one accepts employment of any kind at a non profit (church, mosque, temple, PETA, etc), you play by their rules, or you dont play there.

    As a side note, there was a similar one with a Catholic dioceses, but the diocese offered a modest settlement (and in doing so placed their First Amendment rights in danger), and the case was dropped.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    If legal action is taken, this one could well go to the Supreme Court:

    Mom-to-be claims she was fired from Baptist church for not scheduling wedding date | Fox News

    Earlier, SCOTUS rebuked Obama's attempts to have these terminations automatically reviewable by the government 9-0 (Tabor Lutheran vs EEOC). But, some justices also said the ministerial exemption, though broad, is not all encompassing. They then welcomed further cases.

    In this case, the woman is a day care worker, a position that may, or maynot be considered "ministerial". In my opinion, if one accepts employment of any kind at a non profit (church, mosque, temple, PETA, etc), you play by their rules, or you dont play there.

    As a side note, there was a similar one with a Catholic dioceses, but the diocese offered a modest settlement (and in doing so ceded their First Amendment rights), and the case was dropped.
    They are free to do so. Though it's interesting how heartless and cruel Christians can be at times.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    If legal action is taken, this one could well go to the Supreme Court:

    Mom-to-be claims she was fired from Baptist church for not scheduling wedding date | Fox News

    Earlier, SCOTUS rebuked Obama's attempts to have these terminations automatically reviewable by the government 9-0 (Tabor Lutheran vs EEOC). But, some justices also said the ministerial exemption, though broad, is not all encompassing. They then welcomed further cases.

    In this case, the woman is a day care worker, a position that may, or may not be considered "ministerial". In my opinion, if one accepts employment of any kind at a non profit (church, mosque, temple, PETA, etc), you play by their rules, or you dont play there.

    As a side note, there was a similar one with a Catholic dioceses, but the diocese offered a modest settlement (and in doing so placed their First Amendment rights in danger), and the case was dropped.
    It is a tough call, but the girl cannot really work for a religious organization, while blatantly flaunting religious law in public.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Several factors here:

    1) Is it an 'at will' work state? If so, they can fire her for any legal (non-discriminatory) reason.

    2) Is it legal to fire pregnant women? I think they are protected under labor laws but that may be state to state.

    3) Can they support their decision to fire under religious protections? If #2 above is legal, then this will get very interesting. Who's rights will be found to take precedence?

    IMO, the right to practice your religious beliefs would take precedence as it is Constitutionally protected. Not that I agree with them in this case.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are free to do so. Though it's interesting how heartless and cruel Christians can be at times.
    Yeah, because we know you don't expect folks to follow the rules of their employment. Any attempt by others to stick to their employment rules is just so cruel and heartless.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are free to do so. Though it's interesting how heartless and cruel Christians can be at times.
    Stalking select animals, shooting them, and eating them is part of my lifestyle. I just cant believe that PETA wont let me work in their offices while openly advocating hunting as a sport. Are they also being "cruel"?

    That aside, you do have a point. The church is undoubtably pro life. As such, single mothers should be assisted by churches. If she is not qualified for a teaching position due to being unwed and pregnant, they should have offered her other, less visible employment.

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is a though call, but the girl cannot really work for a religious organization, while blatantly flaunting religious law in public.
    Maybe she could have been offered less visible employment? For example, the cleaning crew, groundskeeping etc.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, because we know you don't expect folks to follow the rules of their employment. Any attempt by others to stick to their employment rules is just so cruel and heartless.
    I didn't say the Church couldn't. Its just that hucking some pregnant chick out on her rear because she's not married is cold and heartless. Its OK that you don't like reality, it just doesnt change reality.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, because we know you don't expect folks to follow the rules of their employment. Any attempt by others to stick to their employment rules is just so cruel and heartless.
    Should she have gotten an abortion to save her job?


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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    If legal action is taken, this one could well go to the Supreme Court:

    Mom-to-be claims she was fired from Baptist church for not scheduling wedding date | Fox News

    Earlier, SCOTUS rebuked Obama's attempts to have these terminations automatically reviewable by the government 9-0 (Tabor Lutheran vs EEOC). But, some justices also said the ministerial exemption, though broad, is not all encompassing. They then welcomed further cases.

    In this case, the woman is a day care worker, a position that may, or may not be considered "ministerial". In my opinion, if one accepts employment of any kind at a non profit (church, mosque, temple, PETA, etc), you play by their rules, or you dont play there.

    As a side note, there was a similar one with a Catholic dioceses, but the diocese offered a modest settlement (and in doing so placed their First Amendment rights in danger), and the case was dropped.
    dont know the details yet so im just shooting from the hip not reading the article

    churches are protected, they can discriminate how they see fit and they have protections

    the OP mentions a day care though, a day care has squat to do with religion and the church
    if the daycare is in the church and used during services etc then the church is good
    if its a separate thing then they over stepped and i hope she sues

    now with that said if the daycare is separate BUT also has an employment contract with rules of conduct she again could be at fault, in violation and the church is back on top again

    ill have to read and wait and see what more comes out
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't say the Church couldn't. Its just that hucking some pregnant chick out on her rear because she's not married is cold and heartless. Its OK that you don't like reality, it just doesnt change reality.
    Your characterization of reality is a bit skewed. She wasn't just thrown out one day. She KNEW the rules, before she got pregnant. She KNEW a decision to go it alone and not get married would result in losing her job. This was a situation entirely of her own making.

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