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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Or maybe she simply chose not to and then accuse the church of being the bad guys for asking that she follow the employment standards she agreed to and then chose not to follow. There is so much that is unknown, but you'll condemn the church with limited information and then refuse to apply anything even remotely close to the same standard when it comes to the woman.

    Church: I don't have all the details, but I'll condemn them nonetheless.
    Woman: I don't have all the details, but I'll give her a leeway I possibly can.

    It's little thing called "bigotry".
    No one said the church was the bad guy, nor am I giving the woman a pass. I said she was legitimately fired. But for people preaching peace, lobe, and understanding, throwing this pregnant unwed mother out was particularly cold and cruel. Because it is. I'm sorry if you dont like reality, but it is as it is.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Asking people they hire to uphold a moral code and behavior then holding them accountable when they do not! THOSE HEARTLESS BASTARDS!
    Quite so, definitly not upholding love, understanding, and forgiveness.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Quite so, definitly not upholding love, understanding, and forgiveness.
    Someone doesn't get that accountability is a form of love. Ikari, you really have no concept of what the Church did, you just see "religious institution did..." and you find a way to hammer on them. You attempt to call them hypocrites, which is your implication. It's really dishonest on your part frankly. You can forgive, while holding someone accountable. You can love, while holding someone accountable, and you can be understanding while holding someone accountable. That's the part of LOVE that eludes you.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    To me, religions are nothing more then glorified clubs. And almost every club has rules about who they will or will not allow as members.

    SOmetimes those rules (like the clubs themselves) are pretty stupid.

    This is the case here.

    But it is their club and if they don't want a member for a certain reason - fine with me.


    All religions are a complete and total waste of time to me anyway.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Someone doesn't get that accountability is a form of love. Ikari, you really have no concept of what the Church did, you just see "religious institution did..." and you find a way to hammer on them. You attempt to call them hypocrites, which is your implication. It's really dishonest on your part frankly. You can forgive, while holding someone accountable. You can love, while holding someone accountable, and you can be understanding while holding someone accountable. That's the part of LOVE that eludes you.
    Indeed, letting people and the unborn suffer is a form of love. This is like the Church of Ray Rice. Hahah
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Really? That seems like exactly the type of decision that the church should make.


    According to the ruling they don't.
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed, letting people and the unborn suffer is a form of love. This is like the Church of Ray Rice. Hahah
    Abandoning principles because someone chose to make poor decisions helps how?
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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Abandoning principles because someone chose to make poor decisions helps how?
    Throwing them out helps how? I'd say they would have to uphold their principles in order to love and forgive her, keeping her gainfully employed so that she can provide for her child; since we're all about the children, yeah?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    My opinion depends on the nature of the day care center. If it is operated separately from the church, gets any government funding, and/or does not include any religious practices or teachings as part of its operation they should not be allowed to fire her.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 01-14-15 at 06:02 PM.

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    Re: Church fires unwed pregant employee

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Didn't they actually rule on that case for the woman who was employed at the Catholic School? If this is the case - then I don't see what's wrong [legally speaking] with what they did, here.

    Am I wrong on that ruling?
    I think suits were recently filed after two catholic ones- a same sex marriage termination and a pregnant teacher termination. One party (same sex marriage I believe ) accepted a settlement and dropped the suit. The other one was accepted by a court in Indiana (?).

    As for the legality of the terminations, I agree with you that they are legal. The Indiana plaintiff, however, appears to be contending that she was not a minister, and thus has protections under the EEOC.

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